Electoral reform

[Top Cats Hat 10]

8 minutes ago, woodview said:

If we forget about student fees and cleggies forgemasters shame.

Neither of which have been discussed in the last three years.

[Anna B 1,401]

4 hours ago, retep said:

Time to rid the country of the established parties.

Personally, I think we need Proportional Representation, and a government that works through cooperation rather than conflict and opposition. Whether that's possible in a country that's mired in tradition and the class system, I don't know, but our methods are archaic and holding us back. The Tories traditionally see themselves as the born rulers of this nation, and their sense of entitlement and privilege oozes from every pore. I squirm with embarrassment when I see their braying and yahooing during PMs questions. Sadly Tony Blair's 'new Labour' was definately born in the same 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, mould, and the Lib Dems although promising, blew it when they threw in their lot with the Tories. 

 

Governments on both sides of the divide have been coasting for years, and shrouding their activities, (or lack of them) in obfuscation and downright lies. Its performance has been dire, and our country has paid the price. The EU has always been a useful scapegoat and very handy for passing the buck, but unfortunately that's come back to bite them in the form of Brexit.

 

Unfortunately, if we vote for Independents and the smaller parties in the current system, the vote will be split in so many different directions the big parties will get in again. However, along with the more independent smaller parties, Jeremy Corbyn has reinvented the Labour party as a party of the people and is, to all intents and purposes, now a 'new' party.  His non-establishment stance has been gained at great personal cost through extensive smear campaigns because the Establishment does not want to lose its stranglehold on the electorate, and it's ride on the rather lovely gravy train. 

 

As we develop a new identity within or without  the EU, now would seem to be a good time for change. We need to look at the systems other countries use, and try to learn from their best practice.  We need to reinvent ourselves as a modern, forward looking nation that can move swiftly and adapt quickly to new challenges and opportunities. 

 

We can start by getting rid of that huge and expensive bastion of elitism and advantage, the houses of parliament, (turn it into the museum it already is,) and build a proper place of work that is practical and fit for purpose. 

Edited March 29, 2019 by Anna B

[woodview 10]

8 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Neither of which have been discussed in the last three years.

Because they are a spent force and 12 MPs don't have their hands on the reigns any more, to ditch anything they said when the bloodlust of potential power kicked in.

They epitomise the problems we are talking about and suffered accordingly.

[retep 68]

9 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Personally, I think we need Proportional Representation, and a government that works through cooperation rather than conflict and opposition. Whether that's possible in a country that's mired in tradition and the class system, I don't know, but our methods are archaic and holding us back. The Tories traditionally see themselves as the born rulers of this nation, and their sense of entitlement and privilege oozes from every pore. I squirm with embarrassment when I see their braying and yahooing during PMs questions. Sadly Tony Blair's 'new Labour' was definately born in the same 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, mould, and the Lib Dems although promising, blew it when they threw in their lot with the Tories. 

 

Governments on both sides of the divide have been coasting for years, and shrouding their activities, (or lack of them) in obfuscation and downright lies. Its performance has been dire, and our country has paid the price. The EU has always been a useful scapegoat and very handy for passing the buck, but unfortunately that's come back to bite them in the form of Brexit.

 

Unfortunately, if we vote for Independents and the smaller parties in the current system, the vote will be split in so many different directions the big parties will get in again. However, along with the more independent smaller parties, Jeremy Corbyn has reinvented the Labour party as a party of the people and is, to all intents and purposes, now a 'new' party.  His non-establishment stance has been gained at great personal cost through extensive smear campaigns because the Establishment does not want to lose its stranglehold on the electorate, and it's ride on the rather lovely gravy train. 

 

As we develop a new identity within or without  the EU, now would seem to be a good time for change. We need to look at the systems other countries use, and try to learn from their best practice.  We need to reinvent ourselves as a modern, forward looking nation that can move swiftly and adapt quickly to new challenges and opportunities. 

 

We can start by getting rid of that huge and expensive bastion of elitism and advantage, the houses of parliament, (turn it into the museum it already is,) and build a proper place of work that is practical and fit for purpose. 

They'll need a big table to get all those feet under, and I'm sure they would be uncomfortable at the trough,  Cor-bin is a no no and certainly not for the people.

[tinfoilhat 11]

7 hours ago, retep said:

Time to rid the country of the established parties.

It had to happen some time.....

 

I agree!

2 hours ago, Anna B said:

Personally, I think we need Proportional Representation, and a government that works through cooperation rather than conflict and opposition. Whether that's possible in a country that's mired in tradition and the class system, I don't know, but our methods are archaic and holding us back. The Tories traditionally see themselves as the born rulers of this nation, and their sense of entitlement and privilege oozes from every pore. I squirm with embarrassment when I see their braying and yahooing during PMs questions. Sadly Tony Blair's 'new Labour' was definately born in the same 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, mould, and the Lib Dems although promising, blew it when they threw in their lot with the Tories. 

 

Governments on both sides of the divide have been coasting for years, and shrouding their activities, (or lack of them) in obfuscation and downright lies. Its performance has been dire, and our country has paid the price. The EU has always been a useful scapegoat and very handy for passing the buck, but unfortunately that's come back to bite them in the form of Brexit.

 

Unfortunately, if we vote for Independents and the smaller parties in the current system, the vote will be split in so many different directions the big parties will get in again. However, along with the more independent smaller parties, Jeremy Corbyn has reinvented the Labour party as a party of the people and is, to all intents and purposes, now a 'new' party.  His non-establishment stance has been gained at great personal cost through extensive smear campaigns because the Establishment does not want to lose its stranglehold on the electorate, and it's ride on the rather lovely gravy train. 

 

As we develop a new identity within or without  the EU, now would seem to be a good time for change. We need to look at the systems other countries use, and try to learn from their best practice.  We need to reinvent ourselves as a modern, forward looking nation that can move swiftly and adapt quickly to new challenges and opportunities. 

 

We can start by getting rid of that huge and expensive bastion of elitism and advantage, the houses of parliament, (turn it into the museum it already is,) and build a proper place of work that is practical and fit for purpose. 

It isn't a new party and while corbyn isn't completely to blame by any stretch he's completely failed to show any kind of leadership over brexit, and tried to use it to gain power, nothing else.

 

I hope the good people of Islington vote him out at the next election. He doesn't deserve their votes.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

I hope Angela Smith is not reading this.

 

All this talk of changing politics and no one has even mentioned her new Change Party! 😢

[hackey lad 3,955]

3 hours ago, Anna B said:

Personally, I think we need Proportional Representation, and a government that works through cooperation rather than conflict and opposition. Whether that's possible in a country that's mired in tradition and the class system, I don't know, but our methods are archaic and holding us back. The Tories traditionally see themselves as the born rulers of this nation, and their sense of entitlement and privilege oozes from every pore. I squirm with embarrassment when I see their braying and yahooing during PMs questions. Sadly Tony Blair's 'new Labour' was definately born in the same 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, mould, and the Lib Dems although promising, blew it when they threw in their lot with the Tories. 

 

Governments on both sides of the divide have been coasting for years, and shrouding their activities, (or lack of them) in obfuscation and downright lies. Its performance has been dire, and our country has paid the price. The EU has always been a useful scapegoat and very handy for passing the buck, but unfortunately that's come back to bite them in the form of Brexit.

 

Unfortunately, if we vote for Independents and the smaller parties in the current system, the vote will be split in so many different directions the big parties will get in again. However, along with the more independent smaller parties, Jeremy Corbyn has reinvented the Labour party as a party of the people and is, to all intents and purposes, now a 'new' party.  His non-establishment stance has been gained at great personal cost through extensive smear campaigns because the Establishment does not want to lose its stranglehold on the electorate, and it's ride on the rather lovely gravy train. 

 

As we develop a new identity within or without  the EU, now would seem to be a good time for change. We need to look at the systems other countries use, and try to learn from their best practice.  We need to reinvent ourselves as a modern, forward looking nation that can move swiftly and adapt quickly to new challenges and opportunities. 

 

We can start by getting rid of that huge and expensive bastion of elitism and advantage, the houses of parliament, (turn it into the museum it already is,) and build a proper place of work that is practical and fit for purpose. 

Jeremy has certainly re invented the labour party  but not as a party for the people  . More like the party of Len McCluskey  and his ilk

[Anna B 1,401]

4 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

It had to happen some time.....

 

I agree!

It isn't a new party and while corbyn isn't completely to blame by any stretch he's completely failed to show any kind of leadership over brexit, and tried to use it to gain power, nothing else.

 

I hope the good people of Islington vote him out at the next election. He doesn't deserve their votes.

It's a new party in as much as he has changed the direction of the party, because he recognised that a large demographic that traditionally supported Labour had no representation, and hadn't had representation for a long time.

I think he's shown tremendous leadership to achieve this in the face of such fierce opposition.

 

He's also shown leadership over Brexit, but it hasn't been covered in the media, or it has been misrepresented. How often have minor members or Blairites been wheeled out (even Blair himself) to pontificate on Brexit and often have a sly dig at Corbyn who hasn't been invited to defend himself or get a word in. Brexit is complex, he does complex answers not catchy soundbites.

 

He's been returned as the member for Islington for 30 years. It has an interesting mix of people, both multicultural and fiscally diverse, not the easiest mix to juggle, so he must be doing something right. Why would they want to vote him out?

[hackey lad 3,955]

Shown leadership over Brexit , seriously Anna ,his party are as split as the Tories

[RiffRaff 10]

It seems obvious to me that the referendum was given to Joe Public because there would/could be only one outcome... it never occurred that we would have the timerity/audacity to vote for anything other than "remain".
Almost three years later, farce after farce, the bunch of charlatans and cheats have managed to derail a democratic vote, pretending concern for "the country" by using every trick in the book and then some.
I call them charlatans and cheats, because that's exactly what they are.

 

[tinfoilhat 11]

10 minutes ago, Anna B said:

It's a new party in as much as he has changed the direction of the party, because he recognised that a large demographic that traditionally supported Labour had no representation, and hadn't had representation for a long time.

I think he's shown tremendous leadership to achieve this in the face of such fierce opposition.

 

He's also shown leadership over Brexit, but it hasn't been covered in the media, or it has been misrepresented. How often have minor members or Blairites been wheeled out (even Blair himself) to pontificate on Brexit and often have a sly dig at Corbyn who hasn't been invited to defend himself or get a word in. Brexit is complex, he does complex answers not catchy soundbites.

 

He's been returned as the member for Islington for 30 years. It has an interesting mix of people, both multicultural and fiscally diverse, not the easiest mix to juggle, so he must be doing something right. Why would they want to vote him out?

You've said it yourself, he's been there 30 years. He's establishment. He's childish "oooh I can't go in there, chukkahs in there". Pathetic. 

 

Ideally, like his 650 odd dishonerable colleagues, he should go and resign. He  won't of course, it's somebody else's fault, so the electorate will have to vote him out.

1 minute ago, RiffRaff said:

It seems obvious to me that the referendum was given to Joe Public because there would/could be only one outcome... it never occurred that we would have the timerity/audacity to vote for anything other than "remain".
Almost three years later, farce after farce, the bunch of charlatans and cheats have managed to derail a democratic vote, pretending concern for "the country" by using every trick in the book and then some.
I call them charlatans and cheats, because that's exactly what they are.

 

Agree. 

 

One snippet I've found out is that it's against the rules of the HoC to call a fellow MP a liar.

 

That really needs to change.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

19 minutes ago, Anna B said:

He's also shown leadership over Brexit,

That's absolute rubbish.

 

The guy is a dyed in the wool Eurosceptic and had basically kept his head down and done nothing in the hope that we will exit the EU and then throw his hands up in the air saying "Oh well, it's too late, it's done now!"

 

He has also thrown away the best chance in history to lead a genuinely socialist party to power in the UK. He will never be forgiven for that.