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8 hours ago, DerbyTup said:

I always think folks who quote themselves are a bit sad, but I'm doing it myself now!  In the above, posted in July this year, I mentioned that it felt like some cracks were starting to appear at Oisoi and this was usually the first sign of a restaurant in trouble.

 

Last night we should have been there for a family party.  We got an email first thing yesterday morning saying that Oisoi has closed down.

 

Apparently they do plan to re-open in mid-October, but under a different name.  Those of you in business will perhaps be able to second-guess what this means?

 

For me, it just confirms...I did see cracks and it was a sign of a restaurant in trouble.  Another one bites the dust.  Very sad but I suspect it's down to the usual problem that upmarket restaurants have in this city - folks just don't want to pay for it.  So, maybe the next reincarnation will be a "Oisoi lite" - a cheaper version of Asian fusion.  We'll see!

 

😕

 

 

 

It’s no more expensive (in fact probably cheaper than) plenty of other restaurants in Sheffield.

 

so I don’t see why this means it’s because people won’t pay for it. 

 

 

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34 minutes ago, makapaka said:

It’s no more expensive (in fact probably cheaper than) plenty of other restaurants in Sheffield.

 

so I don’t see why this means it’s because people won’t pay for it. 

 

 

It's a bit more expensive than most other Chinese/Japanese places but the food's a cut above too. Having said that it was always busy when we went and occasionally we struggled to get a booking which suggests people will pay for it. I'll be devastated if it's gone for good.

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1 hour ago, lectrolove said:

It's a bit more expensive than most other Chinese/Japanese places but the food's a cut above too. Having said that it was always busy when we went and occasionally we struggled to get a booking which suggests people will pay for it. I'll be devastated if it's gone for good.

I’ve not been - ive heard it’s good.

 

i don’t agree with derbytup at all on the “Sheffield won’t pay for it” thing but he seems to know his food so I would have liked to have tried it at some point.

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Really sad that its closed, there's a dearth of really good city centre places and the food and service there was always very good, was busy everytime I went so surprised its gone.

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Been to Otto's on Sharrowvale Rd a couple of times recently excellent food and good, friendly service,  the place looks a little dated but if the foods good who really cares.

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7 hours ago, Brooker11 said:

Been to Otto's on Sharrowvale Rd a couple of times recently excellent food and good, friendly service,  the place looks a little dated but if the foods good who really cares.

Another vote for Ottos - the food is fantastic, and I actually rather like its slightly dated ambience. I would rather restaurants focussed on the food and customer service than adopting the latest trend in decor.

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On 29/09/2019 at 10:12, DerbyTup said:

 

 

For me, it just confirms...I did see cracks and it was a sign of a restaurant in trouble.  Another one bites the dust.  Very sad but I suspect it's down to the usual problem that upmarket restaurants have in this city - folks just don't want to pay for it.  So, maybe the next reincarnation will be a "Oisoi lite" - a cheaper version of Asian fusion.  We'll see!

 

😕

 

 

 

I think you're  wrong Derby Tup,  there's  lots of Sheffield people crying out for decent  eating places in Sheffield and are willing to pay but they just don't  seem to last.

Leeds have some great restaurants but unfortunately  it's  too far to travel in the evening

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11 hours ago, jaffa1 said:

I think you're  wrong Derby Tup,  there's  lots of Sheffield people crying out for decent  eating places in Sheffield and are willing to pay but they just don't  seem to last.

Leeds have some great restaurants but unfortunately  it's  too far to travel in the evening

I'm not disagreeing that there is a market for more upmarket places to eat, include me in that, but regrettably we are in the minority.

 

I'm basing my opinion on a few things, but not least a conversation I had with the owner of "Bar & Grill" a few  years ago.  Do you remember that place?  It was in Leopold Square.  It had a very nice cocktail bar, accessible from the West street side, and a restaurant upstairs.  I thought it was a really good addition to Sheffield.  I wouldn't call it "haute-cuisine" exactly, but it had nice "bistro" style food of a good standard.  I'm pretty sure it was on here that I read a comment about it, which went something like, 

 

'£18 for steak and chips!  I can get fish and chips for a fiver from our chip shop'.  

 

OK so this is a very stupid comment - but there were others that baulked at the idea of paying £18 for steak and chips.  I was talking to the owner one night and he was telling me he had two or three other restaurants in West Yorkshire, which were all doing very well, but he was struggling to make the Sheffield one pay.  One observation he made was that they sell a lot of champagne in the other restaurants, but in Sheffield it's non-existent, everyone wants Prosecco.  His comments were that, for whatever reason, people in Sheffield just didn't seem prepared to pay a bit more for quality food.  

 

There was another really good place, "Cafe Masala", on Westfield Terrace.  A small, boutique type Indian place, serving really different Indian food, with a quality wine list.  That place closed down.  I got to know the owner there too and he told me just before they closed that this was the plan.  He said he just couldn't make it pay, because people in Sheffield wanted their onion bhaji's and chicken tikka masala and chips - there was no call for upscale Indian food.  Such a shame.

 

You then look around the city and you struggle to find upmarket restaurants or shops.  There's no way that  Selfridges, or  Harvey Nicks would venture here.  Even a nice "chain" restaurant like "The Ivy", there isn't one here.  Why?  

 

I'm afraid the majority of people do not appreciate such things and aren't prepared to pay for it.  That's the very reason these places don't open up here in the first place, or don't last very long if they do.  Thank God we've still got a few good places, such as Marco @ Milano's, Vero Gusto, Joro, Rafters.  But the choice is very limited compared to other cities of similar or smaller size.

 

We tend to go to Leeds or Manchester if we want upmarket eating/shopping.  Although there are some very good places a little bit closer, around Huddersfield you've got places like the 3 Acres at Shelley, or the Dyeworks at Kirkburton.  Both these are very nice places to eat and worth a 40 minute drive.

 

 

 

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Posted (edited)

DerbyTup,   were you around Sheffield in the early 90's?  In West street  Le Neptune opened, an it was a fantastic fish restaurant.  It was the first Richard Smith retaurant in Sheffield.   I went there twice  (paying myself only the second time) and we had great meals.  then it suddendly close, within 12 months of its start.     Richard Smith then came to Crosspool, where he opened Artisan  - and told me he had to shift down a gear because Sheffield could not take a top restaurant.    And then it changed Artisan to a more bistrot level (do not remeber the new name, I think Catch - but later sold to Aligargh), and  ended up opening Thyme in Glossop Rd, which still exist and is average.

 

Same story for the Fish Restaurant in front of the Hallamsire (Loch Fyne, now closed for a few years), which struggled to fill the rooms although when we went it was very nice indeed.

 

So, it is not easy to keep a top-level restaurant in Sheffield, both for the high costs of supplies, sometime because of bad marketing, sometime because the chef is not good enough to cook gorgeous food keeping the price down.  That is a skill that not many have.

Edited by MaxVinella

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3 hours ago, DerbyTup said:

I'm not disagreeing that there is a market for more upmarket places to eat, include me in that, but regrettably we are in the minority.

 

I'm basing my opinion on a few things, but not least a conversation I had with the owner of "Bar & Grill" a few  years ago.  Do you remember that place?  It was in Leopold Square.  It had a very nice cocktail bar, accessible from the West street side, and a restaurant upstairs.  I thought it was a really good addition to Sheffield.  I wouldn't call it "haute-cuisine" exactly, but it had nice "bistro" style food of a good standard.  I'm pretty sure it was on here that I read a comment about it, which went something like, 

 

'£18 for steak and chips!  I can get fish and chips for a fiver from our chip shop'.  

 

OK so this is a very stupid comment - but there were others that baulked at the idea of paying £18 for steak and chips.  I was talking to the owner one night and he was telling me he had two or three other restaurants in West Yorkshire, which were all doing very well, but he was struggling to make the Sheffield one pay.  One observation he made was that they sell a lot of champagne in the other restaurants, but in Sheffield it's non-existent, everyone wants Prosecco.  His comments were that, for whatever reason, people in Sheffield just didn't seem prepared to pay a bit more for quality food.  

 

There was another really good place, "Cafe Masala", on Westfield Terrace.  A small, boutique type Indian place, serving really different Indian food, with a quality wine list.  That place closed down.  I got to know the owner there too and he told me just before they closed that this was the plan.  He said he just couldn't make it pay, because people in Sheffield wanted their onion bhaji's and chicken tikka masala and chips - there was no call for upscale Indian food.  Such a shame.

 

You then look around the city and you struggle to find upmarket restaurants or shops.  There's no way that  Selfridges, or  Harvey Nicks would venture here.  Even a nice "chain" restaurant like "The Ivy", there isn't one here.  Why?  

 

I'm afraid the majority of people do not appreciate such things and aren't prepared to pay for it.  That's the very reason these places don't open up here in the first place, or don't last very long if they do.  Thank God we've still got a few good places, such as Marco @ Milano's, Vero Gusto, Joro, Rafters.  But the choice is very limited compared to other cities of similar or smaller size.

 

We tend to go to Leeds or Manchester if we want upmarket eating/shopping.  Although there are some very good places a little bit closer, around Huddersfield you've got places like the 3 Acres at Shelley, or the Dyeworks at Kirkburton.  Both these are very nice places to eat and worth a 40 minute drive.

 

 

 

Basically a few restaurants shut down and the moaning owners blamed the customers yeah?

 

 

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3 hours ago, makapaka said:

Basically a few restaurants shut down and the moaning owners blamed the customers yeah?

 

 

I think he is partly right.  A big issue is places losing too much money being open Monday - Thursday.  Being busy only on Friday and  Saturday isn't enough to sustain the business.  Not enough people go out during the week.

Liverpool and Manchester city centres are buzzing on a Wednesday and Thursday evening. Sheffield is either dead quiet, or most of the people out are students.

A big reason for this issue in Sheffield is tourism. There is virtually none. Manchester, Liverpool and to an extent Leeds are all tourist cities that people go to for a long weekend/4day break. Visitors from other countries as well as the rest of the UK. Sheffield is more reliant on its own citizens and students.  I don't think the issue is specifically Sheffield people. 

Edited by EFCMatt

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Can we stay on topic please (recommendations)?

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