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17 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

In a word....Yes.    Apple's reputation and practices on both its labour and tax affairs is well known.     Anti-capitalist but quite happy to feed the coffers of the 6th biggest company in the world.     Protestors seem also to buy coffee from just one of many subsidary companies overlorded by a fizzy beverage conglomorate which last year had revenues of over $31 billion.

 

If people have these so called strong anti-capitalist principles why do they ignore the little man.  Why did you not choose a phone product from one of them?    Why not get a coffe from the nice independant cafe? 

 

At least some of us are up front about our acceptance of the murky world of business and global markets.  

 

If people want to be all eco warrior and anti-capitalist that's fine.  But they should at least have to balls to commit to it fully.     Cant be picking and choosing when it suits.

You don’t need to be an ecowarrior and an anti capitalist do you? Can’t you just be the former?

2 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Doro, Alcatel, Oppo, Honor, Sony, LG.

 

Little men like Sony and LG, workers co-ops like honor?

 

Give over ;)

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5 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

You don’t need to be an ecowarrior and an anti capitalist do you? Can’t you just be the former?

Yep absolutely you can.    To me I am really not fussed what someone wants to support (I might disagree with it, but that's my perogative).  In my book anyone can support/not support something robustly as long as you stick to your principles.   What I dont like is people who claim to take a stand for X but then bend the rules when it suits.   Nor do I like people who jump on a bandwaggon just because it boosts their profile or strokes their ego -  Something which is happening very frequently at the moment.

 

To be honest, I was earlier responding to TCH specifically - they asked if they were a hypocrite.  They got an answer.

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13 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Little men like Sony and LG, workers co-ops like honor?

 

Give over ;)

I am not talking literally obviously.

 

I am trying to demonstrate that there is a world out there beyond Apple and Samsung.    Choosing a mobile phone supplier with a significantly less global dominance and signifncatly less tax avoidance measures is a demonstration of taking a stand against the very thing that one is supposed to be protesting about.

 

The point under discussion was perceived hypocracy.    The choices that someone makes goes a long way towards that.

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At least those Extinction Rebellion eco warriors getting mass produced food from McDonald’s,  one of the largest buyers of beef in the world, are anti-capitalist?

 

Aren't they? 

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July 2019 was the hottest month ever recorded.

 

source : NOAA

 

the trend is upwards, we need national and global action to avoid catastrophe.

 

but let's have a go at the protesters. some of them wear sandals / eat meat / fly on holiday / have jobs / etc. 

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44 minutes ago, ads36 said:

July 2019 was the hottest month ever recorded.

 

source : NOAA

 

the trend is upwards, we need national and global action* to avoid catastrophe.

 

but let's have a go at the protesters. some of them wear sandals / eat meat / fly on holiday / have jobs / etc. 

We know that.   Its been news for decades.     The question is WHAT action?  

 

Getting in the way and causing major disruption to ordinary people going about their lives whilst at the same time being complete hypocrites and using the very companies and services that you are supposed to be protesting against achieves what exactly?

 

Action is tackling the governments and organisations who are in a position to do something about it.   Action is tackling the countires and government regimes who are the worst pollutors.   Action is working within and alongside said governments and organisations on a practical level to achieve what is necessary.  Action is proper education from an early age of the potential impact and steps to reduce it.   Action is proper education to the wider society and working WITH the public on a practical level. 

 

Action is NOT shouting, chanting, waving banners, dressing up and and generally getting in the way of and severely disruping people without any actual practical purpose.     It might be a surprise but that sort of moronic behavior is just the type of thing which will make the public actually turn against you and wiping out any chance of being accepted as credible.

 

Its a lesson the Occupy movement failed to grasp and ER are heading the same way.

 

 

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10 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Doro, Alcatel, Oppo, Honor, Sony, LG.

 

Sony lol 😂

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21 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

We know that.   Its been news for decades.     The question is WHAT action?  

 

Getting in the way and causing major disruption to ordinary people going about their lives whilst at the same time being complete hypocrites and using the very companies and services that you are supposed to be protesting against achieves what exactly?

 

Action is tackling the governments and organisations who are in a position to do something about it.   Action is tackling the countires and government regimes who are the worst pollutors.   Action is working within and alongside said governments and organisations on a practical level to achieve what is necessary.  Action is proper education from an early age of the potential impact and steps to reduce it.   Action is proper education to the wider society and working WITH the public on a practical level. 

 

Action is NOT shouting, chanting, waving banners, dressing up and and generally getting in the way of and severely disruping people without any actual practical purpose.     It might be a surprise but that sort of moronic behavior is just the type of thing which will make the public actually turn against you and wiping out any chance of being accepted as credible.

 

Its a lesson the Occupy movement failed to grasp and ER are heading the same way.

 

 

 Exactly !      :thumbsup:

 

 

 

 

     

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26 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

We know that.   Its been news for decades.     The question is WHAT action?  

 

Getting in the way and causing major disruption to ordinary people going about their lives whilst at the same time being complete hypocrites and using the very companies and services that you are supposed to be protesting against achieves what exactly?

 

Action is tackling the governments and organisations who are in a position to do something about it.   Action is tackling the countires and government regimes who are the worst pollutors.   Action is working within and alongside said governments and organisations on a practical level to achieve what is necessary.  Action is proper education from an early age of the potential impact and steps to reduce it.   Action is proper education to the wider society and working WITH the public on a practical level. 

 

Action is NOT shouting, chanting, waving banners, dressing up and and generally getting in the way of and severely disruping people without any actual practical purpose.     It might be a surprise but that sort of moronic behavior is just the type of thing which will make the public actually turn against you and wiping out any chance of being accepted as credible.

 

Its a lesson the Occupy movement failed to grasp and ER are heading the same way.

 

 

XR aren't occupy, they really aren't.

 

The science is known, it's out there, it's accepted by the majority of leading politicians and business leaders. What XR want them to do is greater action. Young Greta hasn't got the answers - she's said as much -  she just wants the grown ups to get their finger out.

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3 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

XR aren't occupy, they really aren't.

 

Young Greta hasn't got the answers - she's said as much -  she just wants the grown ups to get their finger out.

So why she is not going after the Chinese government?  Or better still, why is there talk of her being put forward for a Nobel Peace Prize?

 

What has she actually done that Climate Change Scientists haven't?

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2 minutes ago, Delayed said:

So why she is not going after the Chinese government?  Or better still, why is there talk of her being put forward for a Nobel Peace Prize?

 

What has she actually done that Climate Change Scientists haven't?

Because she'll be disappeared into a gulag if she pulls any of that in China?

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