Climate change protests

[MarkS20 10]

Just now, ECCOnoob said:

We ARE aware of the issue of climate.   We ARE doing things to tackle it already.  We ARE as a society in this country making changes but cars wont disappear overnight and there is no sufficient alternatives redilly available yet.

 

It's nowhere near enough though is it, hence the protests.

[sheffbag 227]

1 hour ago, TimmyR said:

if all the drivers were cycling the protest would have held no one up.  There is nothing more illogical that people sitting in huge queues of cars blaming everything other than themselves for the huge queues of cars.  What people don't seem to realise is they are held up every day because of people driving cars - a commute taking 40 minutes which could be done in 20 by bike, that adds up. And this protest demonstrates clearly how little it takes to completely snarl everything up.  

I'll remember to tell my collegue who lives in scunthorpe to ride on his push bike to work tomorrow. Not everyone coming to Sheffield is in the immediate surroundings.

 

i agree on the snarl up, Sheffields system always gridlocks at the slightest disruption.

 

 

[ECCOnoob 1,041]

3 minutes ago, MarkS20 said:

It's nowhere near enough though is it, hence the protests.

Protests against who?    I say again and again.  What was the target supposed to be.

 

Why didn't you protest and disrupt them instead of aggrivating ordinary people trying to get on with thier working day. 

[blackydog 40]

12 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Well actually according to the real-time air pollution index updated 1 hour ago it was Barnsley Road.  But irrelevant of that, its still only at worst a "moderate" level as is the rest of the UK and most of Europe.     The results show Good air quality for nearly all of the UK and Europe with a few patches of Moderate.   

 

 

 

We ARE aware of the issue of climate.   We ARE doing things to tackle it already.  We ARE as a society in this country making changes but cars wont disappear overnight and there is no sufficient alternatives redilly available yet.

 

All this crap about bikes and buses simply does not work for everyone.  I am one of those people.     This is not central London.    We dont have nice purpose built cycle infrastructure and cheap perfectly timed fully integrated, tracked and metro service timed public transport systems to all possible destinations.

 

Yes clearly more needs to be done.  Nobody is disputing that.   But a bunch of silly stunts like this morning are not the way to go about it.   

 

TARGET THE PEOPLE WHO CAN MAKE THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.

You will agree, lots of small changes can become a significant one?

 We ARE NOT doing anything like enough to address the problem. Hardly anyone is. It's going to take huge changes in lifestyle to stop the rot. Personally I think it has gone too far already.

Would you have preferred the protest in the middle of a field somewhere, where no one would be disrupted by it (or even see it)?  

 

Edited March 19, 2019 by blackydog

[TimmyR 10]

8 minutes ago, sheffbag said:

I'll remember to tell my collegue who lives in scunthorpe to ride on his push bike to work tomorrow. Not everyone coming to Sheffield is in the immediate surroundings.

 

i agree on the snarl up, Sheffields system always gridlocks at the slightest disruption.

 

 

no but if it wasn't for decades of failing to invest in public transport links then they could probably get a train in quickly and efficiently.  Actually, what scunthorpe?  you have to question the motives for commuting that far everyday.

 

  Just go to amsterdam in rush hour and you'll see how a city should really operate.  Barely a car in sight.  Everyone is calm, no pollution.

Edited March 19, 2019 by TimmyR

[blackydog 40]

2 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Protests against who?    I say again and again.  What was the target supposed to be.

 

Why didn't you protest and disrupt them instead of aggrivating ordinary people trying to get on with thier working day. 

I already answered this, The station is a high pollution point. 

From the Sheffield Star. ( I won't link as the ads are horrendous)

Sheffield station was recently named by Friends of the Earth as one of Britain's 10 most polluted spots outside London, with average levels of ..

[MarkS20 10]

4 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Protests against who?    I say again and again.  What was the target supposed to be.

 

Why didn't you protest and disrupt them instead of aggrivating ordinary people trying to get on with thier working day. 

Raising awareness I believe, not a bad start.

Be great if this issue got Cocker, Hawley etc who were happy to get involved with protests against replacing street trees involved.

[TimmyR 10]

6 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Protests against who?    I say again and again.  What was the target supposed to be.

 

Why didn't you protest and disrupt them instead of aggrivating ordinary people trying to get on with thier working day. 

not against anyone, this isn't about blame.  Its about getting people to wake up to reality.

Its quite likely at some point in the next 10 years you will be significantly held up due to some major climate change related weather event (flood, high winds) or that you won't be able to get certain foods in shops due to failing crops.  We all need to wake up.   

[sheffbag 227]

57 minutes ago, Fougasse said:

They're all legitimate points imo.

 

So, what good has it done? For you probably none. For most of us probably none. For business probably none.

 

But it's a start. And because the authorities will do - and we all know this from experience - sod all, someone has to start somewhere with everything. Rosa Parks started something in the US back in 1955 and changed a lot. People have changed awareness of plastic pollution only recently. Campaigns raise awareness for people, because at the bottom of almost every issue are two problems: business and government (large and small) and neither will do anything unless forced to do so because 'it affects jobs and profits'.  As if.

 

So in the end, the only way campaigns can get any traction - because asking nicely will get only get a laugh if you're lucky - is more often by some form of disruption or direct action. Not always, but in the cases where businesses AND gov't are affected, mostly.

 

And this particular issue is actually killing people, and the environment. Is that a good reason to disrupt the daily routine of people's lives, especially people who might be penalised by the DWP? 

 

I dunno. You tell me.

You say "its a start". Is it eckers like. The UK greenhouse gas emissions have been falling for the last 28 and since the UK signed up to Kyoto they have fallen by over 30%. Thats "a start". 

Car emissions account for roughly 22-25% of emissions, a massive number but the actual amount has decreased by over 10 million CT since 2005 and is now at the same level as 1990. this is despite there being a lot more vehicles on the road then in 1990. Better fuel efficiency and new technologies have helped maintain this decline in output. 

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/695930/2017_Provisional_Emissions_statistics_2.pdf

 

The whole world is aware of the threat of climate change. It does not need a a bunch of noisy "protesters" clogging up a city network. How many people do you think were made aware of the issues for the first time because of this? I'd say................................................................ zero. So it kind of defeats its purpose to "raise awareness"

 

For example, the children last Friday outside the Town hall probably had more of an impact on the general public to actually think about climate change then the ones outside the station today. (mind you, must give complete credit to the socialist worker idiots who, when the children were chalking messages of hope and peace, they were writing "f*** the Tory's" and "F*** off May". REALLY CLASSY AND ADULT GUYS !!!! the kids were more mature than these so called adults)

[ECCOnoob 1,041]

11 minutes ago, blackydog said:

You will agree, lots of small changes can become a significant one?

 We ARE NOT doing anything like enough to address the problem. Hardly anyone is. It's going to take huge changes in lifestyle to stop the rot. Personally I think it has gone too far already.

Would you have preferred the protest in the middle of a field somewhere, where no one would be disrupted by it (or even see it)?  

 

No. I would have preferred to see protests and disruption outside the Town Hall and Transport Executives for their failures to invest in proper infrastructure for cyclists, proper investment in quick, efficient bus routes, off road transport systems like a proper fully off road and efficient tram network. 

 

It would have been nice to see protests in and out of the rail station to highlight the failures of our network and lack of investment outside the london region or the lack of investment in modern, efficient, clean rolling stock using alternative power other than diesel.

 

What about protests and disruption outside car dealers and car factories to highlight their failures in investing and providing affordable alternative fuel vehicles or the dirty tricks such as the emissions scandal.

 

How about some protest outside our discount stores and pound shops to highlight their exploitive cheap foreign labour work force in countries with some the worlds highest pollution levels with goods being transported thousands and thousands of miles which could be made just a few miles down the road if they were prepared to pay for it. 

 

That's just  a few for a start.   

 

Why take the easy cop out and disrupt ordinary folk. 

 

 

Edited March 19, 2019 by ECCOnoob

[m0nkey 10]

Wilfully obstructing the highway is an offence no matter your cause.

[TimmyR 10]

9 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

No. I would have preferred to see protests and disruption outside the Town Hall and Transport Executives for their failures to invest in proper infrastructure for cyclists, proper investment in quick, efficient bus routes, off road transport systems.   A proper fully off road and efficient tram network. 

 

It would have been nice to see protests in and out of the rail station to highlight the failures of our network and lack of investment outside the london region or the lack of investment in modern, efficient, clean rolling stock using alternative power other than diesel.

 

How about some protest outside our discount stores and pound shops to highlight their exploitive cheap foreign labour work force in countries with some the worlds highest pollution levels with goods being transported thousands and thousands of miles which could be made just a few miles down the road if they were prepared to pay for it. 

 

That's just  a few for a start.   

 

 

so you clearly care about a number of issues, why not do something about it?  Go and meet ER and influence their decisions, get involved.  I actually agree to some extent with your point that the protest this morning could have been done differently...but I am not involved with them so I cannot influence their decisions.  I won't influence their decisions by typing things on this forum, so I am going to go a meeting and find out what its all about.

 

Edited March 19, 2019 by TimmyR