Speed Limits

[Longcol 597]

6 hours ago, bazjea said:

 It certainly is an acccident prone area .There  were serious accidents in 2006 2009  2017 They are  just the ones that  i can remember I don't know where you get  " Its  not an accident prone stretch of road"          just have a word with anyone who lives on that stretch road . They will be able to tell you of many more accidents some of them fatal

 

 

7 fatal accidents plus numerous serious and minor accidents in last 20 years between Rivelin Dams and Ladybower Inn according to https://www.crashmap.co.uk/ (choose map option - not the easiest in the world to navigate mind).

[WiseOwl182 10]

6 hours ago, DT Ralge said:

Conditions are important ... drivers aren’t robots, though.  Physical skills or lack of them do not cause too many crashes.  It’s the stuff going on in the head or gut that gets in the way.

it’s beliefs and attitudes that drive behaviour.

So there’s other stuff going on that impacts on road safety and driver outcomes:

- driver understanding of the impact of and higher interaction with the time of day/year, weather and road conditions 

- driver understanding and proficiency in the use of any of the vehicle’s in-built technologies i.e. everything from tyres to drl’s and ABS/ESP. 

- driver attitude to vehicle checks and road-worthiness,

- driver mood and state of mind (bored, angry, anxious, upset)

- driver agenda and motivators (late, lost ..)

- driver experience/confidence levels and self-image (im not going to get stuck behind this van ...)

- driver focus and interaction with other road users (collaborative or competitive)

and so on.

Ooooook... How does all of that factor in to a long stretch of dual carriageway with large central reservation, where similar roads elsewhere carry a limit of 50mph or higher? 

[DT Ralge 10]

8 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

Ooooook... How does all of that factor in to a long stretch of dual carriageway with large central reservation, where similar roads elsewhere carry a limit of 50mph or higher? 

“Use your imagination” is what I normally suggest to my trainees.   I can’t imagine which road you have in mind. 

If you perceive low risk, crack on. 

Just look/think a little harder than “I’m at 50, nothing has gone wrong (I’m still shiny side up) or could go wrong”.

Edited March 24, 2019 by DT Ralge

[Cyclone 10]

10 hours ago, Longcol said:

7 fatal accidents plus numerous serious and minor accidents in last 20 years between Rivelin Dams and Ladybower Inn according to https://www.crashmap.co.uk/ (choose map option - not the easiest in the world to navigate mind).

Is that actually a high accident rate for that length of that type of road?

[bazjea 10]

3 hours ago, Cyclone said:

Is that actually a high accident rate for that length of that type of road?

I would say that 7 fatal accidents   in 20 years plus  numerous serious and minor

 incidents on a 4mile section of road. is  very high, especially as  you describe below  

         " Its  not an accident prone stretch of road"     

Do you still stick to your description

 

[Weredoomed 10]

On 23/03/2019 at 18:52, Planner1 said:

What exactly do you think that would achieve? Peak time queues on the Parkway are caused by the  capacity of the junctions at the ends of it. Rotherham already have a scheme in progress to improve capacity at the J33 end.

There we have it, a former, (as I understand it), SCC employee exhibiting a lack of vision, as is all too common in that organisation.

 

What would it achieve - shorter queue lengths and consequently less congestion at junctions prior to Park Square/Derek Dooley Way. It would also give extra room to get around broken down vehicles, which would otherwise reduce it to only one lane, causing congestion either back out towards the M1 or into the city centre.

 

But one shouldn't let ideas to improve traffic flows prevent SCC from being anti-car or narrow-minded.

 

And what, pray tell, scheme(s) might SCC have in progress or in the planning stage to improve physical capacity at the city end? 

 

When one looks at a map, it's very noticable how few dual carriageways lead into the city centre. Particularly when you compare Sheffield to, say, Leeds or Doncaster. Sheffield has very poor connections to the strategic road network, thanks in some part to SCC's lack of vision and willingness to put improvements in the "To hard to do" box. "We can't make road X a dual carriageway, we'd have to compulsory purchase some properties." Don't try to blame it on central government funding either, it's been like this for decades, memorably starting at the demise of South Yorkshire County Council and a certain Blunkett chap making a remark about no new road building in Sheffield...

[Longcol 597]

12 hours ago, Cyclone said:

Is that actually a high accident rate for that length of that type of road?

Dunno - can't find an easy source of figures.

 

Did a quick scan on the site I linked to previously for potential local comparators.

 A625 Whirlow - Calver via Froggat/ Chequers - 3 fatal accidents in the last 20 years.

A621 Totley - Baslow - 9 fatal accidents. 

 

Stocksbridge by-pass, perhaps the road thought most dangerous in the Sheffield area - 6 fatal accidents - although from other sites it would appear to have approx 15 fatal accidents in its first 10 years.

 

All have numerous non-fatal accidents.

 

There are roads with much higher rates  - for example;

 

https://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/england/3852-a682.html

 

 

[DT Ralge 10]

7 hours ago, Weredoomed said:

There we have it, a former, (as I understand it), SCC employee exhibiting a lack of vision, as is all too common in that organisation.

 

What would it achieve - shorter queue lengths and consequently less congestion at junctions prior to Park Square/Derek Dooley Way. It would also give extra room to get around broken down vehicles, which would otherwise reduce it to only one lane, causing congestion either back out towards the M1 or into the city centre.

 

But one shouldn't let ideas to improve traffic flows prevent SCC from being anti-car or narrow-minded.

 

And what, pray tell, scheme(s) might SCC have in progress or in the planning stage to improve physical capacity at the city end? 

 

When one looks at a map, it's very noticable how few dual carriageways lead into the city centre. Particularly when you compare Sheffield to, say, Leeds or Doncaster. Sheffield has very poor connections to the strategic road network, thanks in some part to SCC's lack of vision and willingness to put improvements in the "To hard to do" box. "We can't make road X a dual carriageway, we'd have to compulsory purchase some properties." Don't try to blame it on central government funding either, it's been like this for decades, memorably starting at the demise of South Yorkshire County Council and a certain Blunkett chap making a remark about no new road building in Sheffield...

From Blunkett to today, Sheffield’s land use, lots of self-contained “villages”,  hills, valleys, topography doesn’t easily lend itself to your vision of arterial d/c’s.

i can’t see how you reckon Leeds and Doncaster are any better either other than they both happen to  sit nestled in-between major motorways or nationally significant roads (MI-M621-M62 and M18-A1).

As for current road-building plans in  Sheffield and nationally, current emphasis is increasingly anti Internal Combustion Engine, anti-congestion, anti-pollution, anti premature death due to poor air quality ... and that suggests a greater emphasis on public transport.  In that respect Blunkett and the subsidies given to SYPTE all those years ago can be seen as visionary.   This contrasts sharply with the equally divisive wrecking ball that was Thatcher’s bus deregulation policy. 

Face up to it, all Councils are “anti-car” because they realise they can’t build enough roads to get out of the problem. 

[Planner1 428]

20 hours ago, Weredoomed said:

There we have it, a former, (as I understand it), SCC employee exhibiting a lack of vision, as is all too common in that organisation.

 

What would it achieve - shorter queue lengths and consequently less congestion at junctions prior to Park Square/Derek Dooley Way. It would also give extra room to get around broken down vehicles, which would otherwise reduce it to only one lane, causing congestion either back out towards the M1 or into the city centre.

 

But one shouldn't let ideas to improve traffic flows prevent SCC from being anti-car or narrow-minded.

 

And what, pray tell, scheme(s) might SCC have in progress or in the planning stage to improve physical capacity at the city end? 

 

When one looks at a map, it's very noticable how few dual carriageways lead into the city centre. Particularly when you compare Sheffield to, say, Leeds or Doncaster. Sheffield has very poor connections to the strategic road network, thanks in some part to SCC's lack of vision and willingness to put improvements in the "To hard to do" box. "We can't make road X a dual carriageway, we'd have to compulsory purchase some properties." Don't try to blame it on central government funding either, it's been like this for decades, memorably starting at the demise of South Yorkshire County Council and a certain Blunkett chap making a remark about no new road building in Sheffield...

Nope, it's a former SCC employee who is a qualified highway engineer and transport planner telling you that based on their professional experience, they'd feel that just widening the parkway over a relatively short length would not make the difference to traffic flows you are seeking.

 

The government (or anyone else for that matter) do not give out huge amounts of funding to  just provide some spare capacity in case there's a breakdown.

 

The lack of dual carriageways is a legacy from the days when car ownership was relatively low her compared with other cities. We didn't need them at that time and funding is now much harder to justify. The dual carriageways, underpasses and flyovers that were built elsewhere have actually caused many problems, cutting off areas form adjoining ones and making an inhospitable environment for pedestrians. Maybe the lack of road building actually did us a favour and produced a more liveable city.

 

SCC are improving major roads, I noticed the other day that work appears to have started on capacity improvements on the Inner Relief Road at Kelham. They're also working on a £200m  highway scheme to improve capacity in the J34 / J33 M1 area.

[Brooker11 10]

3 hours ago, Planner1 said:

Nope, it's a former SCC employee who is a qualified highway engineer and transport planner telling you that based on their professional experience, they'd feel that just widening the parkway over a relatively short length would not make the difference to traffic flows you are seeking.

 

The government (or anyone else for that matter) do not give out huge amounts of funding to  just provide some spare capacity in case there's a breakdown.

 

The lack of dual carriageways is a legacy from the days when car ownership was relatively low her compared with other cities. We didn't need them at that time and funding is now much harder to justify. The dual carriageways, underpasses and flyovers that were built elsewhere have actually caused many problems, cutting off areas form adjoining ones and making an inhospitable environment for pedestrians. Maybe the lack of road building actually did us a favour and produced a more liveable city.

 

SCC are improving major roads, I noticed the other day that work appears to have started on capacity improvements on the Inner Relief Road at Kelham. They're also working on a £200m  highway scheme to improve capacity in the J34 / J33 M1 area.

Spare capacity in case of breakdown?? Are you for real, the parkway is an absolute joke as major entry route to a city of Sheffields size.

 

 

[rudds1 102]

3 hours ago, Planner1 said:

Nope, it's a former SCC employee who is a qualified highway engineer and transport planner telling you that based on their professional experience, they'd feel that just widening the parkway over a relatively short length would not make the difference to traffic flows you are seeking.

 

The government (or anyone else for that matter) do not give out huge amounts of funding to  just provide some spare capacity in case there's a breakdown.

 

The lack of dual carriageways is a legacy from the days when car ownership was relatively low her compared with other cities. We didn't need them at that time and funding is now much harder to justify. The dual carriageways, underpasses and flyovers that were built elsewhere have actually caused many problems, cutting off areas form adjoining ones and making an inhospitable environment for pedestrians. Maybe the lack of road building actually did us a favour and produced a more liveable city.

 

SCC are improving major roads, I noticed the other day that work appears to have started on capacity improvements on the Inner Relief Road at Kelham. They're also working on a £200m  highway scheme to improve capacity in the J34 / J33 M1 area.

What are they doing to improve capacity round 34/33 

[hardworker 10]

No thank you. Leave as they are. Higher speeds equals more noise. People live nearby.