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26 minutes ago, Magilla said:

They didn't have to, the referendum was advisory, and as such didn't have any of the appropriate checks and balances that a legally binding one would have had that would have avoided most of the problems now faced.

 All referendums held of this nature are advisory. The AV referendum was different as that would have fundamentally affected the constitution of the UK and would have bound parliament and successive governments so it needed to be made binding. Exactly what checks and balances are you talking about? as its the same body that deals with referendums whether they are legally binding or not. It was Parliament that passed the result into law and could have just ignored it but they didnt which was to be expected. 

 

26 minutes ago, Magilla said:

In what way is it "substantially" different to last time?

It does not have to be as that is just a ruling by the speaker, which can be overruled by parliament itself if it puts forward an amendment to allow another go and gets a majority.

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Hmmm votes against a second referendum were 52:48.

 

Anyone see a trend in those figures?

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19 minutes ago, ez8004 said:

Completely deluded. Theresa May's deal is absolutely dead. The DUP will vote against it and the ERG will only vote for the deal if the most the DUP will do is abstain. The DUP will not support it. The ERG won't support it. Where is the majority?

Judging by what several MP's were stating after the votes they were asking the speaker about his 3rd vote conditions and some it seems want it brought back. These are MP's that didnt vote for it last time so there may just be a majority without the DUP.

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4 minutes ago, apelike said:

It does not have to be as that is just a ruling by the speaker, which can be overruled by parliament itself if it puts forward an amendment to allow another go and gets a majority.

The problem with that is if she hasn't got enough support for the deal she won't have a majority for another vote.

 

Let's not forget that many Tories were whipped to vote for her deal against their better judgement and would only have to abstain in a procedural vote to have it fail.

 

Either way, without the support of the DUP she will lose, which interestingly will leave crackpots like Rees-Mogg, David  Davies and Johnson looking like complete unprincipled clowns after backing her deal at the last minute.

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24 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Not without the DUP, it won't.

 

Another repercussion of tonight's vote is that wavering soft Brexit Labour MPs who may have been tempted to vote for May's deal on the basis of 'owt's better than nowt', may now see a permanent customs union as a realistic prospect and vote against it.

 

Remember, without the DUP, she needs Labour support. Last time round only three Labour MPs supported her and there are 15-20 remainer Tories who will never vote for her deal so she needs 30-40 Labour MPs to support her, even if all the crazies vote for her deal.

The deal negotiated between us and eu must be passed first before any other sort of deal can be negotiated eccept for a no deal or a second referendum according to Michel Barnier yesterday.

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17 hours ago, woodview said:

They can enact what was asked of them as advertised by their own manifestos. When you voted Labour in 2017, they told you and the millions of others who voted for them, that they supported Leaving and entering a Single Market / Customs Union.

I think you`re missing my point. Basically Leave said we could have a "Cake and Eat it Brexit", no economic damage (can I remind you, that was "Project Fear"), and we`d have shed loads of extra money, so much in fact that we`d give the NHS an extra £350 million  a week. And, lastly, just in case that wasn`t sufficiently persuasive, be warned ! Turkey IS joining the EU (remember that as well, see below....). But, of course, none of that is happening, and therefore Leave`s mandate, which was only won on a 52/48 vote anyway, is severely weakened, or trashed altogether.

 

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Yesterday just turned into a Little Britain sketch with Andy and Lou

 

So Andy, you dont like Mrs May's deal - Yeah

Do you want a Customs union? You like that one dont you - No

Would you like another referendum? - Don't want that

Would you like a Norway style deal ? - Dont like that one.

Do you want to negotiate changes to some of the agreement with that nice Mr Juncker? - Dont like him

Well, what do you want - Dunno

Andy, if we dont decide what we want then we'll leave with no deal - Yeah i know

So you want to leave with no agreement? - Want that one

 

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10 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Second referendum it is then.

I don't think there is the numbers.

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i would be happy with a second referendum if remain wasnt an option. The public have already voted to leave in a democratic process. Parliament has agreed to uphold the decision so a 2nd referendum should be on the options available.

 

If there is a remain option then it will win by default as it would be the only "remain" option so all those votes would go there but a leave vote could be split by different scenarios

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12 minutes ago, sheffbag said:

i would be happy with a second referendum if remain wasnt an option.

You may be but the majority of the population who support remaining in the EU may have something to say about it.

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11 hours ago, ez8004 said:

It is interesting how the Brexit votes turned out. Customs union with a confirmation vote might be enough to get a majority in the House.. 

 

No deal and any form of Brexit that isn't a soft one has been resoundingly defeated. Parliament simply will not allow it. The momentum for remaining is gathering pace. 

Completely deluded. Theresa May's deal is absolutely dead. The DUP will vote against it and the ERG will only vote for the deal if the most the DUP will do is abstain. The DUP will not support it. The ERG won't support it. Where is the majority?

 "Indicative votes are votes by MPs on a series of non-binding resolutions."   So to be blunt they are not worth the paper they are written on. A waste of time, but its no problem as we leave the EU tomorrow, don't we.

 

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