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36 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

Don't anyone be fooled by Pelosi's fake concerns for the future of N. Ireland & the Good Friday Agreement. 

 

All we are seeing here is the UK & N. Ireland be used as collateral damage in a war between the Democrats & Republicans.  Many times in posts on SF people spout that the US only has its interests at heart in any future, post-Brexit agreements with the UK.  if that's the case, then Pelosi's apparently also willing to put US jobs at risk for the sake of a spat with Trump. 

A hell of a lot of Americans have Irish heritage and are proud of the fact

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1 hour ago, Baron99 said:

Don't anyone be fooled by Pelosi's fake concerns for the future of N. Ireland & the Good Friday Agreement. 

 

All we are seeing here is the UK & N. Ireland be used as collateral damage in a war between the Democrats & Republicans.  Many times in posts on SF people spout that the US only has its interests at heart in any future, post-Brexit agreements with the UK.  if that's the case, then Pelosi's apparently also willing to put US jobs at risk for the sake of a spat with Trump. 

The issue of Northern Ireland isn't a partisan issue in the US - there's a cross party Friends of Ireland group in Congress. As The Express reported in July

Pete King, the Republican Congressman who co-chairs the Friends of Ireland group, described Boris Johnson’s threats to abandon the backstop as a “needless provocation”.



In a clear signal that his party would, the issue of Ireland at least, have few qualms about throwing down roadblocks in front of Mr Trump, he added: “I would think anyone who has a strong belief in Northern Ireland and the Good Friday agreement the open border would certainly be willing to go against the president.

 

10% of the US population has Irish ancestry. They have presidential elections next year and have already started the campaign processes. Anyone thinking this is just a Democrat vs Republican thing is unaware of the situation in the US.

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5 hours ago, Baron99 said:

Don't anyone be fooled by Pelosi's fake concerns for the future of N. Ireland & the Good Friday Agreement. 

This has nothing to do with Pelosi.

 

The problem Johnson has is that the large Irish American community in the US has as much influence in the Republican Party as it does in the Democrats, so any threat to the Belfast Agreement will be resisted in a bi-partisan way by US representatives.

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7 hours ago, Baron99 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49352250

 

This idea is dead in the water already due to one major fundamental problem? 

 

It's called Jeremy Corbyn.   Who but the desperate would want to align themselves with Corbyn & make him a de facto PM? 

 

There won't be any stomach in the HoC to support his ambitions.  Thank God. 

As much as everyone blames Brexit supporting MP's for being self-absorbed, Corbyn is just as bad if not worse.

Funny how he's spent several years sitting on the fence over this issue, only now is he trying to model himself as opposing Brexit.

 

His great plan conveniently involves him becoming PM?? 

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5 hours ago, melthebell said:

A hell of a lot of Americans have Irish heritage and are proud of the fact

A hell of a lot of English have Irish heritage & are proud of the fact but we don't fall for the guff of the likes of Pelosi. 

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Former Chief Economist of the NFU paints a particularly bleak picture for farmers:

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/in/pages/19999/attachments/original/1565772927/PV_NoDeal_SeanRickard_13Aug19_FINAL.pdf

 

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/business/farming/farming-news/957560/claim-that-no-deal-brexit-could-force-more-than-half-of-farms-to-stop-trading/

Many of them voted to leave the EU in good faith because people like Boris Johnson told them it would mean an improved trading relationship with the EU and a better future.

 

The reality looks very different now.

 

It would be a disgrace to democracy to impose no deal on this country without the public having the final say…

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5 hours ago, Baron99 said:

A hell of a lot of English have Irish heritage & are proud of the fact but we don't fall for the guff of the likes of Pelosi. 

yet again you fail to put critical thinking into action and yet again fail to recognise its NOT about republicans versus democrats. its about people of irish descent...and those that recognise the fact, that they do not want the good friday agreement, and the last couple of decades worth of peace putting in jeopardy

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On 14/08/2019 at 19:56, Mister Gee said:

De Pfeffel is in full on Trump mode.

 

The first rule of Brexit, is to blame everyone else.

 

▪️Blame Remainers.

▪️Blame the EU.

▪️Blame Parliament.

▪️Blame John Bercow

I'm now confused. I thought the brexit line was that no deal is not a problem and is what everyone voted to do. If so, why on earth would they need to blame anyone? Shouldn't they be shouting from the rooftops that they are responsible?

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On ‎15‎/‎08‎/‎2019 at 05:35, Baron99 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49352250

 

This idea is dead in the water already due to one major fundamental problem? 

 

It's called Jeremy Corbyn.   Who but the desperate would want to align themselves with Corbyn & make him a de facto PM? 

 

There won't be any stomach in the HoC to support his ambitions.  Thank God. 

While I personbally think that any alternative is better than crashing out with no deal, I can't help thinking that installing Corbyn as a 'caretaker PM' is somewhat akin to installing Senator Palpatine as Supreme Chancellor. He won't give up the power without a fight and we will be all dragged down the dark side...

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10 minutes ago, DnAuK said:

While I personbally think that any alternative is better than crashing out with no deal, I can't help thinking that installing Corbyn as a 'caretaker PM' is somewhat akin to installing Senator Palpatine as Supreme Chancellor. He won't give up the power without a fight and we will be all dragged down the dark side...

I wondered if this is the real reason LD won't support him.

 

Once installed how could we have a GE? The FTP Act specifies a no-confidence vote doesn't it? Whats to stop Corbyn then just not doing that and staying in power? Perhaps the answer is someone else would table it and even if all labour MP's voted confidence, there are enough other MP'sin the other parties to bring him down.

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13 minutes ago, nightrider said:

Whats to stop Corbyn then just not doing that and staying in power? 

The fact that he is more interested in making changes than being Prime Minister.

 

Without a working majority he would be unable to get any of his more radical proposals through so it would be a waste of time just being Prime Minister for the sake of it.

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48 minutes ago, DnAuK said:

While I personbally think that any alternative is better than crashing out with no deal, I can't help thinking that installing Corbyn as a 'caretaker PM' is somewhat akin to installing Senator Palpatine as Supreme Chancellor. He won't give up the power without a fight and we will be all dragged down the dark side...

What’s the point in having a caretaker government to stop a no deal brexit if the EU won’t talk about any deal except the one already negotiated and a parliament who have rejected the said deal on three occasions. 

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