Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[Pettytom 1]

1 hour ago, melthebell said:

but will be nobody to pick em? 😮

Todd’s Turnip Pickers are also seeking investment 

[Litotes 63]

On 26/07/2019 at 08:50, Lockdoctor said:

You need to accept the 2016 EU referendum result which will be implemented on 31st October.  The decision has been made to leave the EU, but nobody knows how difficult or how easy it will be to maintain employment levels after our country leaves the EU because it hasn't happened yet.   Other factors than Brexit  will have much more of an influence on our country's future car industry.

Why?

The decision will be over 3 years old by then, have people's choice changed in that time? Surely democracy is about being able to change your mind.

 

The only democratic thing to do would be to go back to the country to check that their original choice still stands.

 

Anything else would be a betrayal of the electorate.

[retep 68]

12 minutes ago, Litotes said:

Why?

The decision will be over 3 years old by then, have people's choice changed in that time? Surely democracy is about being able to change your mind.

 

The only democratic thing to do would be to go back to the country to check that their original choice still stands.

 

Anything else would be a betrayal of the electorate.

The remainers have already done that.

[Lockdoctor 10]

24 minutes ago, Litotes said:

Why?

The decision will be over 3 years old by then, have people's choice changed in that time? Surely democracy is about being able to change your mind.

 

The only democratic thing to do would be to go back to the country to check that their original choice still stands.

 

Anything else would be a betrayal of the electorate.

Why should the leave side who won the 2016 democratic  EU referendum, support another referendum when they know that if they won again, the same people who still don't accept the 2016 result wouldn't accept the result of another referendum, if they lost again?

 

The new Lib Dem leader has stated this week that she supports another referendum, but wouldn't accept the result if remain lost again.  

[Litotes 63]

 

2 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Why should the leave side who won the 2016 democratic  EU referendum, support another referendum when they know that if they won again, the same people who still don't accept the 2016 result wouldn't accept the result of another referendum, if they lost again?

 

The new Lib Dem leader has stated this week that she supports another referendum, but wouldn't accept the result if remain lost again.  

That is the fault of the Conservatives. Besides, Farage was quite adamant that if it had been a close call, he wouldn't have accepted the result either and I didn't hear you complaining about his double standards?

 

And in answer to your question - because the electorate are wanting it now they know what they are actually voting on!

 

Anything else would be undemocratic.

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6 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

The new Lib Dem leader has stated this week that she supports another referendum, but wouldn't accept the result if remain lost again.  

She didn’t say that she wouldn’t accept the result she said that she would campaign to change it, as you would expect every responsible politician to do.

[Lockdoctor 10]

27 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

She didn’t say that she wouldn’t accept the result she said that she would campaign to change it, as you would expect every responsible politician to do.

That is hilarious.  Campaigning against a democratic result you don't like is the same as not accepting the result.   

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30 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

That is hilarious.  Campaigning against a democratic result you don't like is the same as not accepting the result.   

Don’t be stupid, Thatcher won an election promising to sell off public utilities and Labour and the Trade Union movement opposed it all the way. Are you saying that they were campaigning against a democratic result?

 

You definitely seem to be moving towards some form of ‘winner takes all’ fascism where no opposition is tolerated.

 

Good luck with that! 😂 

[Lockdoctor 10]

25 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Don’t be stupid, Thatcher won an election promising to sell off public utilities and Labour and the Trade Union movement opposed it all the way. Are you saying that they were campaigning against a democratic result?

 

You definitely seem to be moving towards some form of ‘winner takes all’ fascism where no opposition is tolerated.

 

Good luck with that! 😂 

A General Election is not the same as a Referendum.  Of cause the opposition party should not support issues they don't agree with during a Parliament after a General Election and support issue they agree with.   A referendum is only ever about one single issue and the winners should take all after the binary choice as been decided by the democratic people.

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4 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

A referendum is only ever about one single issue and the winners should take all after the binary choice as been decided by the democratic people.

Clearly not, given that three years after the referendum we are still in the EU. 

 

If the decision is a stupid one that will do untold damage, then it is absolutely right that people should do all they can to prevent it.

[Pettytom 1]

2 hours ago, retep said:

The remainers have already done that.

It was the Tory leavers who stopped us leaving. 

 

Blame Peter Bone and his bonkers mates.

36 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

A General Election is not the same as a Referendum.  Of cause the opposition party should not support issues they don't agree with during a Parliament after a General Election and support issue they agree with.   A referendum is only ever about one single issue and the winners should take all after the binary choice as been decided by the democratic people.

That’s precisely why referenda have no place in a democracy 

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24 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

That’s precisely why referenda have no place in a democracy 

And even if they did, the one in 2016 was an advisory referendum with only 37% of the electorate voting to leave and 36% voting to stay.

 

Anyone trying to claim any kind of democratic mandate from that result needs to give their head a wobble.