Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[Cyclone 10]

16 hours ago, Car Boot said:

Those in full time education are not considered active in the workforce, and so not counted in the unemployment figures. 

 

The EU wishes to change this as it is very aware that it's high youth unemployment rates expose it's so-called 'socialist' credentials as being a sham.

So, the EU WANTS to count young people in education as unemployed?  Because that will expose it's own socialist credentials as being a scam?

 

Even when you try to criticise the EU you don't make sense anymore.

[L00b 441]

On 22 June 2019 at 13:34, Car Boot said:

There is not record employment for young people in most of the EU, as unemployment in most member states is mainly at double-digit rates (more than 20% in France and above 30% in Greece, Spain and Italy).

 

The youth of the UK should thank the heavens that soon they will not be living in the workers paradise which ensures that people like them do not have employment.

I'm not talking about "young people unemployment in the EU", nor about the EU27.

 

I'm talking about "record employment and wage growth in the UK" and "falling consumer confidence in the UK", and asking how come the second is occurring in view of the first...

 

....when the first should be increasing consumer confidence (-which should be at record heights, considering the UK media has been consistently reporting record UK employment and wage growth since before the referendum, 3 years ago).

 

EU unemployment stats won't give you, or me, that answer, so get off your soapbox for a minute and try again.

Edited June 24, 2019 by L00b

[Voice of reason 0]

1 hour ago, L00b said:

I'm not talking about "young people unemployment in the EU", nor about the EU27.

 

I'm talking about "record employment and wage growth in the UK" and "falling consumer confidence in the UK", and asking how come the second is occurring in view of the first...

 

....when the first should be increasing consumer confidence (-which should be at record heights, considering the UK media has been consistently reporting record UK employment and wage growth since before the referendum, 3 years ago).

 

EU unemployment stats won't give you, or me, that answer, so get off your soapbox for a minute and try again.

Consumer confidence is increasing, and consumer spending is still in growth, unless you have stats to the contrary?

[L00b 441]

You need to bactrack in the thread and observe my quote of Eater Sundae, setting the context for this sub-discussion.

26 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

Consumer confidence is increasing, and consumer spending is still in growth, unless you have stats to the contrary?

Consumer confidence is at -10, marginally up from -13 where it's been living for the past few months, with a long way to go before it gets back to the pre-2016 levels (https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/consumer-confidence).

 

Consumer spending is lacklustre: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-consumers/uk-consumer-spending-growth-in-2019-to-be-slowest-in-six-years-ey-item-club-idUSKCN1TO0ZI

 

Acedotally, I'll echo a post or two that I made after we visited the area (SY/North Notts) last April/Easter time, a year on from brexoding: market towns looking a lot deader, with anchor stores gone and many more shops & pubs shut/boarded up.

 

And yet, 'full employment' and 'record wage growth' since seemingly forever (before the ref, certainly, as I recall plenty of pro-Leave posters religiously reverting to these claims, as evidence of the UK's readiness and resilience for Brexit, if the ref should go their way).

Edited June 24, 2019 by L00b

[Voice of reason 0]

17 minutes ago, L00b said:

 

Consumer confidence is at -10, marginally up from -13 where it's been living for the past few months, 

So, in short, you are saying consumer confidence is actually up, after being static?

That's seems opposite to what you posted earlier.

Presumably you agree consumer spending is still in growth? Not huge growth, but still growing?

[L00b 441]

33 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

So, in short, you are saying consumer confidence is actually up, after being static?

That's seems opposite to what you posted earlier.

Presumably you agree consumer spending is still in growth? Not huge growth, but still growing?

No, I'm not saying that. You are.

 

And I did not claim that consumer confidence was falling, either: I took Eater Sunday's mention of it, within the circumstances of the Sony DVD plant closure, as the basis of my question about employment/wage growth.

 

Are you now proposing to answer it?

 

[edit - not that it matters much anyway, in the grander scheme of things]

Edited June 24, 2019 by L00b

[Voice of reason 0]

13 minutes ago, L00b said:

No, I'm not saying that. You are.

 

And I did not claim that consumer confidence was falling, either: I took Eater Sunday's mention of it, within the circumstances of the Sony DVD plant closure, as the basis of my question about employment/wage growth.

 

Are you now proposing to answer it?

 

[edit - not that it matters much anyway, in the grander scheme of things]

Ahh, I understand now, that you were just pointing out that they were wrong, and in fact all 3 of those indicators, Employment, Wage growth and confidence are all positive.

That's good isn't it? Or am I missing something?

[L00b 441]

2 hours ago, Voice of reason said:

Ahh, I understand now, that you were just pointing out that they were wrong, and in fact all 3 of those indicators, Employment, Wage growth and confidence are all positive.

That's good isn't it? Or am I missing something?

I'm not saying that either. You are. Again.

[Voice of reason 0]

26 minutes ago, L00b said:

I'm not saying that either. You are. Again.

Ok. Which of the 3 is right or wrong? You can't think all three are both?

[L00b 441]

1 hour ago, Voice of reason said:

Ok. Which of the 3 is right or wrong? You can't think all three are both?

In case the fact passed you by, I'm not engaging the strawman which you've been peddling since this morning, putting words in my mouth time and again.

[Voice of reason 0]

3 minutes ago, L00b said:

In case the fact passed you by, I'm not engaging the strawman which you've been peddling since this morning, putting words in my mouth time and again.

There was no strawman. I genuinely have no clue what point you are / were trying to make. I assume you have an opinion if any of those are true or false, but don't want to talk about it, which is fine. That would lead some to draw a conclusion in its own right.

[Car Boot 10]

6 hours ago, Voice of reason said:

Ahh, I understand now, that you were just pointing out that they were wrong, and in fact all 3 of those indicators, Employment, Wage growth and confidence are all positive.

That's good isn't it? Or am I missing something?

You are quite correct.

 

Voting to Leave the EU hasn't destroyed the economy, as the European Unionists solemnly informed us would happen if we didn't vote as we had been instructed.

 

The only thing holding back the country now is those politicians/bankers/ruling class keeping us in the EU for their own selfish ends.