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Is anybody able yet to point to any real benefits of Brexit.

 

Still struggling

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6 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

Is anybody able yet to point to any real benefits of Brexit.

 

Still struggling

The UK hasn't exited yet.

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14 hours ago, retep said:

You are a supporter of a failing experiment, who's the fool.

The one who takes a quote completely out of context, when in reality Churchill was a big supporter of a United Europe!


Oh yeah.. that's you! :hihi:

 

"We are with Europe, but not of it" was a lament, an expression of sorrow that he spent the rest of his life fighting to change!

 

 

June 1940, Churchill signed the ‘Declaration of Union’ between Great Britain and France:

"The two governments declare that France and Great Britain shall no longer be two nations, but one Franco-British Union… Every citizen of France will enjoy immediately citizenship of Great Britain; every British subject will become a citizen of France."

 

Churchill founded and was chairman of the "United Europe Movement", who's aim was to "present the idea of a United Europe in which our country will play a decisive part"... going on to say "Britain will have to play her full part as a member of the European family"

 

In May 1948, in his opening speech to the Congress of Europe Churchill said:

"We cannot aim at anything less than the Union of Europe as a whole, and we look forward with confidence to the day when that Union will be achieved."

 

The only issue for Churchill was that he couldn't see how the "empire" would fit into it...as such, by 1960 with empire going fast he'd come down completely on the side of the UK being a member of a Federal Union of Europe.

 

In August 1961  Churchill states:

"I think that the Government are right to apply to join the European Economic Community"

 

Churchill was in-fact a "founding father" of the EU, and is widely regarded a such.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_fathers_of_the_European_Union

 

Not only did Churchill support a "United States of Europe" with our membership and shaping of it.. he also envisioned a "World Government" after that too!

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Magilla said:

The one who takes a quote completely out of context, when in reality Churchill was a big supporter of a United Europe!


Oh yeah.. that's you! :hihi:

 

"We are with Europe, but not of it" was a lament, an expression of sorrow that he spent the rest of his life fighting to change!

 

 

June 1940, Churchill signed the ‘Declaration of Union’ between Great Britain and France:

"The two governments declare that France and Great Britain shall no longer be two nations, but one Franco-British Union… Every citizen of France will enjoy immediately citizenship of Great Britain; every British subject will become a citizen of France."

 

In May 1948, in his opening speech to the Congress of Europe Churchill said:

"We cannot aim at anything less than the Union of Europe as a whole, and we look forward with confidence to the day when that Union will be achieved."

 

Churchill founded and was chairman of the "United Europe Movement", who's aim was to "present the idea of a United Europe in which our country will play a decisive part"... going on to say "Britain will have to play her full part as a member of the European family"

 

The only issue for Churchill was that he could't see how the "empire" would fit into it...as such, by 1960 with empire going fast, he'd come down completely on the side of the UK being a member of a Federal Union of Europe.

 

In August 1961  Churchill states:

"I think that the Government are right to apply to join the European Economic Community"

 

Not only did Churchill support a "United States of Europe" with our membership and shaping of it.. he also envisioned a "World Government" after that too!

 

 

That went well dinit , 

 

"On 22 June, the Second Armistice at Compiègne was signed by France and Germany"

 

And the "European Economic Community" was not the European Union.

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38 minutes ago, retep said:

That went well dinit , 

 

"On 22 June, the Second Armistice at Compiègne was signed by France and Germany"

Funny how someone goes from being revered to being a nieve fool in some people's eye's eh :hihi:

 

LOL, didn't see that one coming...

 

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And the "European Economic Community" was not the European Union.

A step in the right direction, what Churchill really wanted was a European Union! :thumbsup:

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1 hour ago, retep said:

The UK hasn't exited yet.

So what are the potential benefits?

 

Let’s go through them....

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1 hour ago, retep said:

The UK hasn't exited yet.

So what, this whole thing is just a lucky dip where we don't find out what we get until we unwrap it?

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1 hour ago, I1L2T3 said:

So what are the potential benefits?

 

Let’s go through them....

Can't you see through your crystal ball.

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3 hours ago, El Cid said:

I have added the figures up again, EU growth is still way higher than UK growth since 2016, that is the correct way to do it, not cherry-pick one month or quarter.

But did you do it as an average in order not to cherry-pick it by quarter? What you seem to be comparing is the EU collective growth vs UK growth. Here is a list by me compiled from the same source on the average growth rate in each of the member countries over the same period of 2016-1019:

 

 

Austria 2.35

Belgium 1.51

Bulgaria 3.63*

Croatia 3.08*

Cyprus 4.32*

Czech Republic 3.18*

Denmark 2.14

Estonia 4.12*

Finland 2.4

France 1.72

Germany 1.86

Greece 1.21?

Hungary 4.10*

Ireland 6.34

Italy 1.12

Latvia 3.85*

Lithuania 3.48*

Luxembourg 2.2

Malta 6.31*

Netherlands 2.52

Poland 4.5*

Portugal 2.33

Romania 5.32*

Slovakia 3.64*

Slovenia 4.19*

Spain 2.81

Sweden 2.30

UK 1.65
 

See how much it varies by country? You will also notice that the newest members since 2004 * are the ones who are experiencing a greater GDP rate than most of the others, excluding Ireland,  which is to be expected. Unfortunately the above is also a bit skewed as to gain a better idea it really should be GDP per capita.

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1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

So what, this whole thing is just a lucky dip where we don't find out what we get until we unwrap it?

It's just the standard leavers' "don't consider the results of brexit" because then they might have to accept it's going to be bad for the country.

 

Meanwhile, here's one of the Tory leadership candidates on leaving without a deal and what WTO terms would mean for the country.

24 minutes ago, apelike said:

But did you do it as an average in order not to cherry-pick it by quarter? What you seem to be comparing is the EU collective growth vs UK growth. Here is a list by me compiled from the same source on the average growth rate in each of the member countries over the same period of 2016-1019:

 

 

Austria 2.35

Belgium 1.51

Bulgaria 3.63*

Croatia 3.08*

Cyprus 4.32*

Czech Republic 3.18*

Denmark 2.14

Estonia 4.12*

Finland 2.4

France 1.72

Germany 1.86

Greece 1.21?

Hungary 4.10*

Ireland 6.34

Italy 1.12

Latvia 3.85*

Lithuania 3.48*

Luxembourg 2.2

Malta 6.31*

Netherlands 2.52

Poland 4.5*

Portugal 2.33

Romania 5.32*

Slovakia 3.64*

Slovenia 4.19*

Spain 2.81

Sweden 2.30

UK 1.65
 

See how much it varies by country? You will also notice that the newest members since 2004 * are the ones who are experiencing a greater GDP rate than most of the others, excluding Ireland,  which is to be expected. Unfortunately the above is also a bit skewed as to gain a better idea it really should be GDP per capita.

We're fourth from bottom in that table. If you remove the UK figures from the collective EU figures the EU27 will have even higher growth without us - even if you take the relative side of the individual countries' economies into account.

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52 minutes ago, altus said:

We're fourth from bottom in that table. If you remove the UK figures from the collective EU figures the EU27 will have even higher growth without us - even if you take the relative side of the individual countries' economies into account.

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Apelike just wants to use his own method, to get the results that he wants.

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1 hour ago, retep said:

Can't you see through your crystal ball.

What kind of answer is that?

 

What have you voted for? Do you even know?

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