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47 minutes ago, L00b said:

Such guidelines were not put in, because the referendum was intended to be consultative, not binding.

 

Cameron pacified scores of political opponents in 2015 into voting the EU Referendum Act through on this very basis, including eg the SNP.

 

The referendum wasn’t designed (legally speaking, as the EU referendum act 2015) for its outcome, either outcome, to be followed through. Hence the ensuing mess, once Theresa May grabbed no.10 and ran with the ERG.

Although by most other comments from the government you'd think it was written in blood.

 

 

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Much is being made of the Tories not fulfilling their 2017 election promise to deliver Brexit but let’s not forget that the Tories didn’t win the 2017 election. 

 

Just as Cameron didn’t promise a AV referendum in the Conservative manifesto in 2010, he introduced it because he didn’t get an overall majority. So election promises have to be flexible in the light of failure to secure a working majority.

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9 hours ago, Car Boot said:

Tony Benn was a passionate supporter of Leaving the pro-business EU.

 

Was he a nationalist?

Almost by definition, yes.

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3 hours ago, ez8004 said:

She voted against House of Lords reform did she? Really?  Please explain how the hell she managed to do that. The House of Lords act 1999 was implemented in 1999. Nick Clegg tabled the House of Lords Reform Bill in 2012. Guess what, she wasn’t an MP until 2015. THREE YEARS after. 

 

Talking rubbish again on this point. 

 

Being as disingenuous as ever. I am all for a proportional representation in voting. But the dog’s dinner version we were offered in the AV referendum was the worst implementation I have seen. I too voted against it in that referendum. 

 

The restriction in trade union activity? Want to give an example? If you going to say that the threshold requirement needed to implement a strike as an example, then I would suggest you sit back down. That was not an unreasonable requirement to ensure that there is a sizeable proportion of the workforce agrees. I am a member of unite and I don’t have an issue with it.  

On 19 October 2016 Heidi Allen voted in favour of having fewer MPs but against reducing the number of members in the House of Lords. (House of Lords Reform and Size of the House of Commons, Division number 70).

 

Heidi Allen voted against removing hereditary peers from the House of Lords on this date. This passionate Remainer MP has also consistently voted against laws to promote equality and human rights.

 

Trade Union Bill — Third Reading, Division number 121 – in the House of Commons 10 November 2015. Heidi Allen voted to require a 50% turnout in order to make a strike ballot valid, and for other aspects of increased regulation of trade union activity.

 

Are you going to persist in claiming that I post rubbish when I can so easily prove you wrong?

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7 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

This passionate Remainer MP has also consistently voted against laws to promote equality and human rights.

As of course did you, when you voted for the UK to leave the protection of the ECJ and ECHR and replace it with the protection of a right wing Conservative government!

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12 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

As of course did you, when you voted for the UK to leave the protection of the ECJ and ECHR and replace it with the protection of a right wing Conservative government!

The Conservative party are not going to be in power forever. In fact, a change of government is looming.

 

To make a new social order, the power bases of the old economy have to be dismantled. Something the pro-business EU would never permit.

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We've long established that the EU is a socialist organisation.

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23 minutes ago, Cyclone said:

We've long established that the EU is a socialist organisation.

 The two basic EU treaties which all member states must sign - Treaty on European Union (originally The Maastricht Treaty) and the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union have neoliberal, free market and monetarist economics as their core basis. As Tony Benn stated "The EU has the only constitution in the world committed to capitalism". 

 

Any economic and political union that dictates that all member states MUST operate a competitive market economy system based on the free movement of capital, goods, services and labour can NEVER be a socialist organisation. 

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35 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

To make a new social order, the power bases of the old economy have to be dismantled. Something the pro-business EU would never permit.

 

What new social order? 

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31 minutes ago, Cyclone said:

We've long established that the EU is a socialist organisation.

Suggesting that the EU is a socialist organisation is ridiculous in the extreme. Its very difficult to even take seriously such an absurd idea!

 

 If the EU was truly a socialist organisation, it would not have the support of big capital - which it has. Over three-quarters of large British businesses want continued membership. The Confederation of British Industry and a majority of the members of the Institute of Directors are all almost fanatically pro-EU. The big banks love the EU too.

 

Since when were the captains of industry supporters of anything socialist?

 

Answer: Never have been. Never will be.

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54 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The Conservative party are not going to be in power forever. In fact, a change of government is looming.

Rather awkwardly for that view, all the governments in waiting want to remain :thumbsup:

 

Labour to support Norway-style EU proposal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47776505

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