Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[Organgrinder 1,946]

I wonder if those who want to remain in the EU and also those who want to leave but support Therea May's deal actually know what the deal says.
There are 585 pages which are a minefield of legal Jargon but when examined, show some horrifying facts that most of the population are unaware of and the politicians have been keeping this very quiet.
If you think the backstop is the only problem then think again.

 

Other Major Failings of May’s deal

 ‘LEVEL PLAYING FIELD’ ALIGNMENT:
The Agreement puts rules into place which mean the UK is required to keep in regulatory alignment with the EU on
matters such as agriculture subsidies and tax policy. This would effectively give the EU control over the UK’s economic
policy. The UK would not be able to lower taxes and increase subsidies where necessary to vital parts of our economy,
or be free to compete on the global stage to our best advantage, being tied to EU regulations.

 

 UK TO POTENTIALLY HAVE TO FUND A EUROZONE BAILOUT:
The UK would be listed as a ‘participating state’ within the EU’s Civil Protection Mechanism, paving the way for the
UK to once again have to contribute money to any Eurozone bailout. (The EU Civil Protection Mechanism was how
we were forced into giving the Eurozone money in the aftermath of the 2008 economic crash) How can we leave the
EU if, after Brexit, we are forced into a position where we may have to bail out the EU from their own economic messes
in the future?

 

 EU CONTROL OVER FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS:
The Withdrawal Agreement stipulates the ECJ and the European Commission would be able to set the legal levels of
the UK’s financial contributions to fund European bodies which the Agreement commits the UK to be part of - whether
these are military, economic or humanitarian. In effect we would be handing the EU a blank cheque for any of their
future vanity projects, whether we wish to be part of them – or not.

 

 EUROPEAN COURT OF JUSTICE:
For the duration of the transition period and any continuation of it - whether in the Irish Backstop or other
arrangements - the UK is bound by decisions of the European Court and would be legally obligated to put
into place the precedent set by any European judge for a minimum of 5 years.
So, without any influence over the European Court, this country would, in effect, be a ‘vassal’ to the ECJ and
would be forced to accept the rulings of a foreign power after Brexit.

 SECURITY ISSUES:
The Withdrawal Agreement commits the UK to sharing sensitive intelligence data with the EU after Brexit, regardless
of our desire or the advisability of doing so. This would include information we have obtained while collaborating with
non-EU Member States and would endanger our position within the 5 EYES intelligence sharing community of
America, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United Kingdom. We have far superior links with these countries
than we have with the EU. We cannot compromise our ongoing trusted arrangements with our most important allies.
Beyond this, the Withdrawal Agreement also commits the UK TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS FUNDING AND SUPPLYING OUR TROOPS
FOR ANY EUROPEAN UNION MILITARY OPERATIONS WHICH OCCUR IN THE COMING YEARS. I.E. we would be committing British
Troops to potentially fight in combat in which the UK has no desire to become involved in – and this would potentially
lead to them fighting against our own people!

 SHARING OF UK CITIZENS PERSONAL DATA:
The UK commits to sharing the sensitive data of UK citizens with European databases in order to increase cooperation
on a range of issues, including security and policing. However, the statements within the Withdrawal Agreement are
vague, opening up a wide range of private data, such as bank details and more, being shared. Such a policy would also
create a goldmine for potential hackers. How can British citizens trust a foreign power to look after their data after
Brexit?

[melthebell 863]

Project fear 😱

 

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[Organgrinder 1,946]

Certainly plenty to fear there.

[Penistone999 10]

4 hours ago, hauxwell said:

I wonder what the world thinks of our politicians?  

 

They probably think they are a bunch of muppets , and rightly so .

[Penistone999 10]

Was listening to the radio this morning, and they were talking to a former Labour adviser ,and they said that there is concern among the Labour leadership that UKIP will pick up a lot of the Leave voters at the next General Election because they feel the present politicians are trying to stop Brexit. Im assuming this concern is also present in the Tory party.  I do think all this is playing into UKIP`s hands . 17.4m very angry  voters can do a lot of damage to the Tories AND Labour. 

 

 

[Guest]

EU EXIT app is rubbish. 2 newer phones, wont scan passport properly,  getting settled status by pigeon post will be faster

[altus 540]

10 minutes ago, Penistone999 said:

Was listening to the radio this morning, and they were talking to a former Labour adviser ,and they said that there is concern among the Labour leadership that UKIP will pick up a lot of the Leave voters at the next General Election because they feel the present politicians are trying to stop Brexit. Im assuming this concern is also present in the Tory party.  I do think all this is playing into UKIP`s hands . 17.4m very angry  voters can do a lot of damage to the Tories AND Labour. 

 

 

UKIP have turned themselves into an anti muslim protest party since the vote, that will put off a lot of people who voted for them previously. It's also why Nigel has his new party to play with. Whilst they will both take votes off the Tories and Labour, I still don't think either will get a seat - particularly of they split the vote.

[tinfoilhat 11]

1 hour ago, surveyour said:

I just can’t see them making a success out of leaving, they are constantly back biting, back stabbing each other!!! 

This is the problem. There isn't a clear leave plan - there's loads.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

3 minutes ago, Penistone999 said:

17.4m very angry  voters can do a lot of damage to the Tories AND Labour. 

But it's not 17.4 million angry voters is it?

 

Look at the pathetic turnout for Farage's march and the couple of thousand people at the rallies in Westminster, on the day that the UK was supposed to be leaving the EU, and you realise that there is no mass anger at the situation.

 

John Snow's comment at the end of C4 News last night was interesting. He said "It's been an extraordinary day. And I've never seen so many white people in one place at the same time."

 

Yes, a whole variety of people voted to leave including immigrants but the 'Leave' campaign now is essentially an exclusively white, nationalist movement.

 

The real anger was shown last week by the masses who marched in London to demand a referendum to see what people actually want in 2019. They are the real democrats, not those who are desperately trying to cling on to a discredited vote nearly three years ago.

[Penistone999 10]

Just now, tinfoilhat said:

This is the problem. There isn't a clear leave plan - there's loads.

On monday they are having another round of indicative votes , but all that will happen is the Tories and Labour will whip ,and block anything the other  side proposes ,so we will go around the houses again and be back here in the same position on monday night. Nothing will ever get a majority. 

[Top Cats Hat 10]

2 minutes ago, Penistone999 said:

 Nothing will ever get a majority. 

It's called democracy.

 

Remember? Take back control. Make the UK Parliament sovereign again.

[altus 540]

16 minutes ago, Penistone999 said:

On monday they are having another round of indicative votes , but all that will happen is the Tories and Labour will whip ,and block anything the other  side proposes ,so we will go around the houses again and be back here in the same position on monday night. Nothing will ever get a majority. 

Don't be so sure. If the Lib Dems and SNP had backed the customs union proposal last week it would have got a majority.