Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[Cyclone 10]

So...  Do we get to have a vote or not?  Are they elected in the end or not.  How was Farage not deemed unsuitable?

[melthebell 863]

14 minutes ago, apelike said:

Not completely true as each member is first nominated by the member state in consultation with the Comission President. The President then gets to decide if the candidate is suitable. Because they work for the EU and not the member states they are not elected by them.

 

how is that different from normal political parties? they decide on candidates we vote on the one we like, all this talk of WTO rules, how are they better than the EU? are they more democratically accountable? are the officials elected?

[Car Boot 10]

36 minutes ago, Cyclone said:

So... It's no longer the unelected...  You realise that we get to elect people to run the EU.

It's the Commission and thousands of unelected bureaucrats that run the EU.

 

The Parliament is just a fig leaf. But you know this already.

[melthebell 863]

1 minute ago, Car Boot said:

It's the Commission and thousands of unelected bureaucrats that run the EU.

 

The Parliament is just a fig leaf. But you know this already.

what i read is the ones above are voted in by the members of the parliament?

[Car Boot 10]

Wreck the EU from the inside?

 

Lets do this!

[I1L2T3 10]

3 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

It's the Commission and thousands of unelected bureaucrats that run the EU.

 

The Parliament is just a fig leaf. But you know this already.

You just described our civil service too

 

Are you understanding this yet?

[Litotes 63]

54 minutes ago, apelike said:

Because in our representative democracy parliament have decreed that it is only those that are eligible to vote and actually turn out to vote that count in any election or referendum. It's a very simple principle and something that all nations in the EU have adopted. As it impossible to include everybody so a line must be drawn up as to who can vote and how the results are accepted, and that is by a majority decision.

 

Compulsory voting is an effect of laws which require eligible citizens to register and vote in elections, and may impose penalties on those who fail to do so. As of August 2013, 22 countries provide for compulsory voting, and 11 democracies — about 5% of all United Nations members — enforce it.

[Longcol 600]

18 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Wreck the EU from the inside?

 

Lets do this!

Just what that well known revolutionary Rees-Mogg has been advocating.

 

"We'll keep the hedge fund flying here."

[Car Boot 10]

15 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

You just described our civil service too

 

Are you understanding this yet?

The Commission is not the EU civil service.

 

The Commission is the EU executive, the main EU government.

 

Are YOU understanding this yet?

[Top Cats Hat 10]

1 hour ago, apelike said:

Because in our representative democracy parliament have decreed that it is only those that are eligible to vote and actually turn out to vote that count in any election or referendum. 

You are (possibly deliberately) missing the point.

 

Your view matters whether you partook in 2016's discredited, non-binding referendum or not. The reason why we are in this complete mess is that Theresa May decided on a course of action which was supported by less than 40% of the electorate ignoring everyone else. 

 

That is why we didn't leave on the 29th March, we aren't leaving today and in all likelihood won't be leaving on 31st October, not so much because Remainers are thwarting it but because it doesn't have support of the majority of citizens of the United Kingdom and even those who do support it are completely divided about what it actually means.

 

[Car Boot 10]

8 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

You are (possibly deliberately) missing the point.

 

Your view matters whether you partook in 2016's discredited, non-binding referendum or not. The reason why we are in this complete mess is that Theresa May decided on a course of action which was supported by less than 40% of the electorate ignoring everyone else. 

 

That is why we didn't leave on the 29th March, we aren't leaving today and in all likelihood won't be leaving on 31st October, not so much because Remainers are thwarting it but because it doesn't have support of the majority of citizens of the United Kingdom and even those who do support it are completely divided about what it actually means.

 

So you don't believe that the real reason the democratic direction of 17.4 million people is being denied is because Westminster is over 75 per cent Remainer?

 

The Brexit hating Remainer minority imposing their will upon the Leave majority.

Edited April 12, 2019 by Car Boot

[Top Cats Hat 10]

6 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

is being denied is because Westminster is over 75 per cent Remainer?

This will be the same Westminster which overwhelmingly voted to trigger Article 50?