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1 hour ago, bendix said:

Jesus H Christ guys.  Perhaps the first meaningful sign that Johnson will not be allowed to subvert Parliament and push through a No Deal Brexit happens, and you're bickering about European roads?

And it’s going to get worse for Johnson when the Lib Dems win Brecon and Radnorshire which will effectively give two more votes to Remainers in Parliament.

 

On a slight side matter, this vote is predicated on there being no functioning executive in Belfast. Given that the DUP do not want a No Deal exit, it has pretty much scuppered any chance of Stormont sitting again soon.

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The best thing about this is not so much the 17 who acted like adults, but the 30 or so (higher profile MPs) who abstained and who will of course do what needs to be done when the time is right.  They include Ken C and Hammond.

 

Who would have guessed it?  The only thing stopping us being forced out of the EU with a catastrophic No Deal is a handful of sensible Tory MPs, prepared to put the country ahead of their own political careers.  Good on them, I say.

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1 hour ago, L00b said:

Yes, in alchresearch's post: talks of borders in the Brexit context only gain any relevance when discussing the transit of commercial goods, because Brexiteers only ever talked of -and promised- 'frictionless' trading.

Just to clarify, Hunt was definitely talking about (the vast majority of) commercial traffic whizzing through non-stop at a Swiss style border in Northern Ireland.

 

He said the checks would be done at "each end" (presumably the companies the goods were loaded and unloaded), people would register in advance on the internet.

 

He compared it to the "red green blue channels at Heathrow".

 

Its on iPlayer, around 07:55:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0006whd/breakfast-18072019

Edited July 18, 2019 by alchresearch

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Im sure this has been discussed before, but was Theresa May's decision to call a 2017 General election a deliberate political masterstroke and not the mistake we all thought at the time?

 

The 2015 GE delivered a huge Tory majority, one that would likely have had enough Leavers in it to push Brexit through the House.  Did she know that and deliberately sabotage her career (and the government) for the sake of what she thought was right for the country by calling an election , perhaps sensing that she might lose her majority and, in the process, make a Leave Parliament a more divided Parliament?

 

Ive never heard that discussed before, but is it totally impossible?

Edited July 18, 2019 by bendix

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6 minutes ago, bendix said:

Im sure this has been discussed before, but was Theresa May's decision to call a 2017 General election a deliberate political masterstroke and not the mistake we all thought at the time?

 

The 2015 GE delivered a huge Tory majority, one that would likely have had enough Leavers in it to push Brexit through the House.  Did she know that and deliberately sabotage her career (and the government) for the sake of what she thought was right for the country by calling an election , perhaps sensing that she might lose her majority and, in the process, make a Leave Parliament a more divided Parliament?

 

Ive never heard that discussed before, but is it totally impossible?

It’s difficult to decide which actions are conspiracy and which are ****-up

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2 hours ago, L00b said:

Yes, in alchresearch's post: talks of borders in the Brexit context only gain any relevance when discussing the transit of commercial goods, because Brexiteers only ever talked of -and promised- 'frictionless' trading.

 

The Swiss border is not frictionless, by any stretches of meaning (it is for people: Switzerland is in Schengen).

My take-away from that one, is that 274 MPs voted to be silenced by the executive.

 

Clearly, they are unfit to represent their constituents' best interests.

I sincerely hope that, come the next election, voters are reminded of the little regard these 274 people have for our hard won parliamentary democracy.

 

Is there anyone on here that would still be prepared to vote for one of these?

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12 minutes ago, Eater Sundae said:

I sincerely hope that, come the next election, voters are reminded of the little regard these 274 people have for our hard won parliamentary democracy.

 

Is there anyone on here that would still be prepared to vote for one of these?

Sadly there are many.  But their anger over the EU insisting our great British kippers have the right kind of ice when being shipped (and not realising it was actually the British Government who wrote that rule) matters more to them than the greatest parliamentary democracy in the world.

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1 hour ago, alchresearch said:

Just to clarify, Hunt was definitely talking about (the vast majority of) commercial traffic whizzing through non-stop at a Swiss style border in Northern Ireland.

 

He said the checks would be done at "each end" (presumably the companies the goods were loaded and unloaded), people would register in advance on the internet.

 

He compared it to the "red green blue channels at Heathrow".

 

Its on iPlayer, around 07:55:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0006whd/breakfast-18072019

Then he’s an idiot because goods do not just whizz through a Swiss-style border. There are a limited number of crossing points for commercial traffic and delays are not uncommon while goods are checked.

 

He is talking completely out of his backside

43 minutes ago, bendix said:

Im sure this has been discussed before, but was Theresa May's decision to call a 2017 General election a deliberate political masterstroke and not the mistake we all thought at the time?

 

The 2015 GE delivered a huge Tory majority, one that would likely have had enough Leavers in it to push Brexit through the House.  Did she know that and deliberately sabotage her career (and the government) for the sake of what she thought was right for the country by calling an election , perhaps sensing that she might lose her majority and, in the process, make a Leave Parliament a more divided Parliament?

 

Ive never heard that discussed before, but is it totally impossible?

I think her calculation was to turn a 40 seat majority into a 70-80 seat majority to completely nullify the ERG, and proceed with an relatively orderly Brexit. It couldn’t have worked out any worse.

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Not sure who it was (possibly Lady Gaga or maybe Madge) but they had to cancel a gig in Paris a few years back because of delays with getting the production trucks out of Switzerland, after a show in Zurich.

 

Unless promoters pay big, tours tend to stay out of Switzerland because of the increased logistics.

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2 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Not sure who it was (possibly Lady Gaga or maybe Madge) but they had to cancel a gig in Paris a few years back because of delays with getting the production trucks out of Switzerland, after a show in Zurich.

 

Unless promoters pay big, tours tend to stay out of Switzerland because of the increased logistics.

Even free movement of people is often impeded. I’ve been a frequent traveller from Geneva into France for 20-30 years and passport checks are not uncommon. They have all the infrastructure there to pull over 20-30 coaches or numerous cars if they wanted to.  There is a lot of physical infrastructure at the major crossings, and that symbolism would not be tolerated in Ireland

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3 hours ago, bendix said:

Im sure this has been discussed before, but was Theresa May's decision to call a 2017 General election a deliberate political masterstroke and not the mistake we all thought at the time?

 

The 2015 GE delivered a huge Tory majority, one that would likely have had enough Leavers in it to push Brexit through the House.  Did she know that and deliberately sabotage her career (and the government) for the sake of what she thought was right for the country by calling an election , perhaps sensing that she might lose her majority and, in the process, make a Leave Parliament a more divided Parliament?

 

Ive never heard that discussed before, but is it totally impossible?

The 2015 General Election result only delivered a small majority of 12 for the Tory Party.  It was a surprise result because it was expected to be another hung parliament like the 2010 General Election result.   Theresa May  didn't think she had a big enough majority to achieve whatever she really wanted to achieve which is why she called the snap election when the Tory Party had a big lead over the Labour Party and had done very well in the council elections a few weeks earlier.

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3 hours ago, bendix said:

Ive never heard that discussed before, but is it totally impossible?

Not impossible, but I would say highly unlikely given that the Tories were a ton of points ahead at the time and everyone including her own advisors, told her that she was going to increase her majority by 10-12 seats.