Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[RJRB 688]

1 hour ago, Penistone999 said:

So the 52% who voted to Leave are a "mob" . Next you will be trotting out the remain line that everyone who voted leave is a white ,working class , thick racist .

This sort of comment gets trotted out as some sort of inverted logic for supporting Leave.

To state that hardly anyone knew all the ramifications of Brexit 3 years ago is absolutely the truth.

If you still support Brexit now ,then I would have thought that is only because the additional information is acceptable to you.

For me,I have not discovered any facts that suggests that any form of Brexit is an improvement to the U.K. economy,or our position to have some influence on world affairs.

Edited May 26, 2019 by RJRB

[Top Cats Hat 10]

Welsh Labour has now come out in favour of a second referendum as has Dianne Abbott which is important as she is politically very close to Corbyn. 

 

It looks like Labour's position will change long before the September conference.

 

 

[Voice of reason 0]

10 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Welsh Labour has now come out in favour of a second referendum as has Dianne Abbott which is important as she is politically very close to Corbyn. 

 

It looks like Labour's position will change long before the September conference.

 

 

Pity they didn't have a definitive position in the GE 2017, or this last election. They've missed both boats.

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6 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

Pity they didn't have a definitive position in the GE 2017, or this last election. They've missed both boats.

It's not too late but Corbyn will almost certainly have to go as he could never be a credible Remain campaigner.

[Voice of reason 0]

5 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

It's not too late but Corbyn will almost certainly have to go as he could never be a credible Remain campaigner.

they missed 2 post Brexit elections. ie too late.

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21 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

they missed 2 post Brexit elections. ie too late.

Clearly not too late as we haven't had a general election/second referendum yet. 

 

It will be too late if they leave it to the last minute so the sooner it is done the better. Corbyn has been told for months that Labour will lose more votes as a leave party than as a remain party. With 65% of Labour supporters voting remain in 2016 it was just plain dumb to pander to the 35% who voted for Farage anyway as was seen last Thursday.

 

There was a very depressing report from Goldthorpe on Channel Four News where Leave supporters were singing the praises of Farage as someone who was championing the working class. When it was put to them that he was a Thatcherite and would have supported her pit closures, it was just ignored.

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1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Clearly not too late as we haven't had a general election/second referendum yet. 

 

It will be too late if they leave it to the last minute so the sooner it is done the better. Corbyn has been told for months that Labour will lose more votes as a leave party than as a remain party. With 65% of Labour supporters voting remain in 2016 it was just plain dumb to pander to the 35% who voted for Farage anyway as was seen last Thursday.

 

There was a very depressing report from Goldthorpe on Channel Four News where Leave supporters were singing the praises of Farage as someone who was championing the working class. When it was put to them that he was a Thatcherite and would have supported her pit closures, it was just ignored.

We had a GE last year. They obviously thought it was a vote loser, or didn't know what they thought, so didn't back it, and still don't.

But if as you claim, Remain were / is a majority, they missed the boat.

 

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14 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

But if as you claim, Remain were / is a majority, they missed the boat.

Not a claim, it is widely accepted as fact. Professor John Curtice, who is renowned for his rigorous analysis of such matters has repeated stated that support for Remain is at 53% and support for Leave at 46%-47%.

 

And of course Labour hasn’t missed the boat. The Remain campaign is in the ascendency and gaining momentum now and Labour needs to get aboard, sooner rather than later. Unfortunately this can probably only be done by replacing Corbyn, as his interview yesterday clearly showed that he hadn’t got the message.

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2 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Not a claim, it is widely accepted as fact. Professor John Curtice, who is renowned for his rigorous analysis of such matters has repeated stated that support for Remain is at 53% and support for Leave at 46%-47%.

 

And of course Labour hasn’t missed the boat. The Remain campaign is in the ascendency and gaining momentum now and Labour needs to get aboard, sooner rather than later. Unfortunately this can probably only be done by replacing Corbyn, as his interview yesterday clearly showed that he hadn’t got the message.

You should have told Labour about this. They would have swept to victory in 2017, and wiped the floor with a shambles tory party last week.

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Just now, Voice of reason said:

You should have told Labour about this. 

I did.

 

An anti-Brexit Labour Party winning a General Election, far from frightening the markets, would have been supported by the world markets along with a massive boost in the value of the pound giving Corbyn all the liquidity needed to carry out his nationalisation program with minimal borrowing.

 

An absolutely unique opportunity for a successful, left wing economic programme to be successful, jeopardised by Corbyn’s outdated, Bennite €uroscepticism.

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On ‎26‎/‎05‎/‎2019 at 18:22, Top Cats Hat said:

Only if a majority of the people want it.

The majority only wants what it votes to have. The majority of the referendum votes were to leave.  So accordingly the majority of (voters) want to leave. What "the people" , whoever they are, want is a different matter. So how do you know what "the people" want? 

Edited May 28, 2019 by woolyhead

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On ‎26‎/‎05‎/‎2019 at 16:35, ez8004 said:

This is the most understood thing about our democracy. In fact, the majority here don’t actually understand that our democracy is a representative one. We trust the MPs who we elect to act on our behalf in making decisions that are in our best interests. It absolutely does not say do as we say. The fact that the obvious majority don’t know what is actually in our best interests, which is the fundamental problem, it is up to the MPs to decide for us. 

Did you mean "most misunderstood" perhaps?  In either case the referendum had no connection with which MP we voted for last time. It's a totally different thing.