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48 minutes ago, melthebell said:

Exactly, strange how the lib dems and greens have apparently done best in the local elections

The mantra from the Tories is that this result is a message that they should get on and deliver Brexit. If that were the case, you’d expect UKIP to have done well as a protest against the government’s slowness. But no. They’ve also lost seats.

 

The two pro remain parties are the only ones who have done well in these elections.

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3 hours ago, tzijlstra said:

the disenfranchised Brexit voters couldn’t be arsed and the remainers could. Time to pull the plug.

What needs to be remembered is that support for leaving the EU has been falling since the day after the referendum. Falling slowly, I’ll grant you but falling none the less. 

 

There is is no evidence that this is going to be reversed so as time goes on, leave supporters will become an even smaller and smaller minority. A very noisy minority but a minority none the less.

 

It is time that those who believe remaining in the EU is the best way forward for the people of the UK get onto the front foot and forget about a ‘soft Brexit’ or a second referendum and start to campaign hard to revoke Article 50 altogether.

 

Yes, the Brexit parties will do well in the €uro elections but just as in 2016, they will NOT attract a majority of the electorate.

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4 hours ago, Pettytom said:

Not much of a message is it?

 

Hurry up and vote Brexit, or we’ll vote Lib Dem and stop it.

What people seem to be forgetting that this was local elections and the results seem to be about punishing the parties.

 

Quote from the BBC: 

 

"It was as though voters vented their frustration with the Brexit process by punishing whichever party represented the political establishment locally."

This mood perhaps also helps account for the remarkable success of independent candidates. Those not standing on a party label were on average winning as much as a quarter of the vote where they stood. More than 900 independent councillors have been elected - a net gain of more than 500."

 

And:

 

"In contrast, and despite the party's pro-Remain stance, there was only limited evidence that the Lib Dems' advance was stronger in areas that voted heavily for Remain in the 2016 referendum. For example, while support for the party rose on average by three points on last year in areas where more than half voted for Remain, it also increased by two points in areas where the Remain vote was less than 45%."

 

3 hours ago, melthebell said:

Exactly, strange how the lib dems and greens have apparently done best in the local elections

It was local election so does not matter and mainly done as protest votes.

 

I even voted Green as there was not much choice and I certainly would not vote UKIP!

 

2 hours ago, Eater Sundae said:

The two pro remain parties are the only ones who have done well in these elections.

No, the independents have also done well.

Edited May 4, 2019 by apelike

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4 hours ago, tzijlstra said:

No, the only clear message here is - stop faffing about, the disenfranchised Brexit voters couldn’t be arsed and the remainers could. Time to pull the plug.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that brexit voters couldn't be bothered to vote.

 

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12 minutes ago, apelike said:

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that brexit voters couldn't be bothered to vote.

So how do you explain the fall in support for Labour and the Conservatives? As UKIP collapsed and the only real winners were pro remain parties like the Lib Dem’s and the Greens, then Brexit voters either didn’t turn up or voted for remain parties. (as you seem to have done!)

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27 minutes ago, apelike said:

What people seem to be forgetting that this was local elections and the results seem to be about punishing the parties.

 

Quote from the BBC: 

 

"It was as though voters vented their frustration with the Brexit process by punishing whichever party represented the political establishment locally."

 

I thought that you Kippers were sceptical about the “MSM”.

 

However anyone tries to spin this, the local election results were bad news for brexiteers 

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2 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

I thought that you Kippers were sceptical about the “MSM”.

But I am not a Kipper and never have been so you assume wrong.

 

2 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

However anyone tries to spin this, the local election results were bad news for brexiteers 

Once again.. local election results mean nothing at this stage of the game, and the bad news was for the Conservatives and Labour not brexiters. Notice how the local election results does not alter who is in charge of brexit.

[Eater Sundae 12]

1 hour ago, apelike said:

What people seem to be forgetting that this was local elections and the results seem to be about punishing the parties.

 

Quote from the BBC: 

 

"It was as though voters vented their frustration with the Brexit process by punishing whichever party represented the political establishment locally."

This mood perhaps also helps account for the remarkable success of independent candidates. Those not standing on a party label were on average winning as much as a quarter of the vote where they stood. More than 900 independent councillors have been elected - a net gain of more than 500."

 

And:

 

"In contrast, and despite the party's pro-Remain stance, there was only limited evidence that the Lib Dems' advance was stronger in areas that voted heavily for Remain in the 2016 referendum. For example, while support for the party rose on average by three points on last year in areas where more than half voted for Remain, it also increased by two points in areas where the Remain vote was less than 45%."

 

It was local election so does not matter and mainly done as protest votes.

 

I even voted Green as there was not much choice and I certainly would not vote UKIP!

 

No, the independents have also done well.

“Independents” are not a party. The clue’s in the name.

 

There are lots of reasons why people voted the way they did. Theresa May’s claim that the bad showing by the Conservatives is some sort of call to “get on with it” is totally disingenuous. Pro remain parties are the only ones who have done well

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37 minutes ago, apelike said:

Notice how the local election results does not alter who is in charge of brexit.

That is very true but what it should do is cause those in charge of the process to stop and think about what they are actually trying to do.

 

And the first thing they need to do is to identify and prioritise the wishes of the UK population in 2019 over the minority  who voted Leave three years ago next month.

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Senior ultra Remainers are very aware that the local election results DO NOT indicate a shift in public support for Remaining in the capitalist EU. They are also aware that Remain could not convincingly win a second referendum and that the European elections will be used by the British electorate to mark their displeasure with the ruling class for keeping us prisoners of the EU.

 

Oh dear! It just gets worse and worse for the Remainer ruling class!

Edited May 4, 2019 by Car Boot

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1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

That is very true but what it should do is cause those in charge of the process to stop and think about what they are actually trying to do.

 

And the first thing they need to do is to identify and prioritise the wishes of the UK population in 2019 over the minority  who voted Leave three years ago next month.

This seems to be the current stance, from the BBC:

 

"Both Mrs May and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn have insisted they will push ahead with talks seeking cross-party agreement on leaving the EU, following the local election results."

 

And BTW just to remind you again.. it is those that voted in 2016 that count which gave a majority in favour of leave, no matter how you wish to try and make out otherwise. 

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“Prime Minister Theresa May said it was clear the public wanted "to see the issue of Brexit resolved".

 

Am I reading too much into the fact that Theresa May has now replaced “to see Brexit delivered” with “to see the issue of Brexit resolved”.

 

Could this be signalling a change of direction?