Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[melthebell 862]

8 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The Establishment ruling order overwhelmingly supported our EU membership. Make UK (formerly the EEF) which represents some of the UK's biggest businesses is very much a part of that establishment.

 

The Engineering Employers Federation (renamed Make UK) has consistently been wrong in its predictions, putting forward the voice of big business. It supported joining the Exchange Rate Mechanism and the Euro, claiming in 2000 that the UK was playing "Russian roulette with manufacturing jobs" by staying out. 

 

No surprise that the EEF has consistently opposed increases in the minimum wage. It is the voice of big business and an enemy of the working class.

talking of minimum wage, shall i just leave this here?

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/priorities/deeper-and-fairer-economic-and-monetary-union/european-pillar-social-rights/european-pillar-social-rights-20-principles_en

3 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Can you please stop the personal attacks?

 

This link here, from the European Parliament, states that the EU Commission "is the principal executive body of the European Union".

 

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/25/the-european-commission

 

I suggest that you read it.

and your link states exactly how they are appointed, exactly how i said so they are elected by the parliament and we elect the parliament, and its all fairly squared out between member states

[ANGELFIRE1 10]

6 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Nigel Farage has just launched his Brexit Party in Coventry. He says that it is full of 'ordinary people' yet looking at the footage on the BBC it looks like the usual male gammon faces. Not only that but he has Jacob Rees-Mogg's sister on board for added working class credibility!

 

And surprise, surprise he has started with the big lies already. "The vast majority of people in the UK outside of London want to leave the EU on WTO terms" And surprise, surprise the BBC interviewer did not challenge him on it. He got very defensive and hot under the collar when asked about Aaron Banks' involvement in the Brexit Party.

 

Expect a lot of mudslinging between UKIP and the Brexit Party to come, as they fight over the same voters.

We must have been watching different interviews. No, no, no, no, no, no, no was Farage's reply to the silly lefty TV presenter when she asked about Banks involvement, and kept asking the same question ad infinitum.

 

Angel1.

[Car Boot 10]

36 minutes ago, Dardandec said:

Can I ask you a question Car Boot?

 

If we are genuinely going to be better off outside the EU, why hasn't any previous governments brought us out without asking us?

 

The usual elite this, elite other nonsense isn't answering the question BTW.   

The only governments that would have taken us out EEC/EU control was firstly the 1975 Harold Wilson Labour government - if the referendum had been won by the Leave side. It wasn't. 

 

Then if Labour had won the 1983 general election under the great socialist Michael Foot we would also have left. Since those times, global capital has captured both Tory and Labour governments, especially Labour under Blair - until the election of Jeremy Corbyn.

 

Big business fears a Corbyn government even more than it fears Brexit.

[tinfoilhat 11]

3 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The only governments that would have taken us out EEC/EU control was firstly the 1975 Harold Wilson Labour government - if the referendum had been won by the Leave side. It wasn't. 

 

Then if Labour had won the 1983 general election under the great socialist Michael Foot we would also have left. Since those times, global capital has captured both Tory and Labour governments, especially Labour under Blair - until the election of Jeremy Corbyn.

 

Big business fears a Corbyn government even more than it fears Brexit.

No it doesn’t. Big business, really big business will either ride the wave or leave - taking jobs with them. 

 

Which would you prefer?

[Cyclone 10]

1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

So you don't believe that the real reason the democratic direction of 17.4 million people is being denied is because Westminster is over 75 per cent Remainer?

 

The Brexit hating Remainer minority imposing their will upon the Leave majority.

Are you still denying that the will of the people has changed?

[Car Boot 10]

11 minutes ago, Cyclone said:

Are you still denying that the will of the people has changed?

The will of the People is almost exactly the same as it was in June 2016.

 

It's perhaps changed only very slightly.

24 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

No it doesn’t. Big business, really big business will either ride the wave or leave - taking jobs with them. 

 

Which would you prefer?

I prefer that we stand up to threats and intimidation. Capitulation never works.

[Cyclone 10]

Not what the polls indicate, which is significant change, not to mention that 2 million new voters will almost certainly vote remain and 2 million dead leave voters won't vote at all.

[Car Boot 10]

1 minute ago, Cyclone said:

Not what the polls indicate, which is significant change, not to mention that 2 million new voters will almost certainly vote remain and 2 million dead leave voters won't vote at all.

The polls put Remain on 55 and Leave on 45 per cent just before the vote. How did that work out for you?

[Top Cats Hat 10]

7 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The polls put Remain on 55 and Leave on 45 per cent just before the vote. How did that work out for you?

They were polls of people who were eligible to vote, not people who intended to vote, hence the difference.

 

The 2016 referendum was a poll for leavers which is why Leave supporters were always more likely to vote in it. Even then they only scraped through.

[hackey lad 3,949]

Never , ever, did I see it anywhere stipulated that it was a poll for leavers

[Longcol 596]

1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

Then if Labour had won the 1983 general election under the great socialist Michael Foot we would also have left.

Remind me how well Labour did in that general election.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

22 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Never , ever, did I see it anywhere stipulated that it was a poll for leavers

Well who on earth else was it for?

 

I don't remember anyone other than €urosceptics calling for a referendum.  Like my 'F1 moving to Sky' poll, only people interested in Formula One bothered voting on it. 

 

Why do you think that the majority of people who didn't vote in 2016 were remain supporters? Unless that referendum was binding and/or compulsory, as a democratic exercise it was pretty pointless.

Edited April 12, 2019 by Top Cats Hat