Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[retep 68]

5 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Apart from that, even in England the majority of people support remaining so to claim that the majority of people in England support leaving the EU with no deal means that there will be remainers who believe in leaving with no deal which is let's say highly unlikely.

 

The Metro uses a highly selective interpretation of a reputable poll to get a headline which is aimed, much like many of Donald Trump's statements, at a section of the population who neither know nor care whether it is accurate as long as it fits with their particular belief.

Well you can have it from here if the metro upsets you,

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/03/english-welsh-voters-outside-m25-back-leaving-eu-immediately/

[Top Cats Hat 10]

3 minutes ago, retep said:

Well you can have it from here if the metro upsets you,

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/03/english-welsh-voters-outside-m25-back-leaving-eu-immediately/

You do know that the Telegraph is a pro-Brexit paper too?

[altus 538]

4 minutes ago, retep said:

Well you can have it from here if the metro upsets you,

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/03/english-welsh-voters-outside-m25-back-leaving-eu-immediately/

It's the full poll results that matter, not the spin newspapers with a particular bias put on the bits of it they selectively quote.

[Mister M 1,609]

For anyone who think that people knew they were voting a for a 'no deal Brexit', someone has very kindly put together a compendium of snippets from parliamentary debates, television news items and other nuggets of leading Brexiteers in parliament and across society that have now been shown this to be false. 

Prior to the referendum leading Brexiteers talked about the virtues of the a Norway style deal, Canada style deal  EFTA deal, or a 'bespoke' deal. 

 

This is important because increasingly there are some in Parliament, and the media are saying that people voted for no deal, and knew what a no deal entailed.

https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/1113547733300842497?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1113547733300842497&ref_url=https://forums.motorhomefacts.com/78-subscribers-lounge/180026-brexit-facts-1218.html

 

 

[Car Boot 10]

The staunch Remain supporting Evening Standard has this to say:

 

Brexit poll reveals all of England and Wales now favour no deal - except London

 

Voters ready to accept no deal Brexit if no agreement is reached by April 12.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-poll-reveals-all-of-england-and-wales-now-favour-no-deal-except-london-a4108916.html

 

The Evening Standard is edited by the architect of austerity and 'Project Fear' Remainer George Osbourne.

Edited April 4, 2019 by Car Boot

[Bob Arctor 11]

1 hour ago, altus said:

It's the full poll results that matter, not the spin newspapers with a particular bias put on the bits of it they selectively quote.

The problem with that poll, as you'll note, is that leaving with a deal isn't one of the options that people were given, therefore it's not a useful poll

[Longcol 598]

31 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The staunch Remain supporting Evening Standard has this to say:

 

Brexit poll reveals all of England and Wales now favour no deal - except London

 

Voters ready to accept no deal Brexit if no agreement is reached by April 12.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-poll-reveals-all-of-england-and-wales-now-favour-no-deal-except-london-a4108916.html

 

The Evening Standard is edited by the architect of austerity and 'Project Fear' Remainer George Osbourne.

Bit late with that bit of news - people have already linked to the stories on the same poll carried by Metro and the Torygraph.

 

Try reading the thread a bit before posting.

Edited April 4, 2019 by Longcol

[melthebell 862]

36 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The staunch Remain supporting Evening Standard has this to say:

 

Brexit poll reveals all of England and Wales now favour no deal - except London

 

Voters ready to accept no deal Brexit if no agreement is reached by April 12.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-poll-reveals-all-of-england-and-wales-now-favour-no-deal-except-london-a4108916.html

 

The Evening Standard is edited by the architect of austerity and 'Project Fear' Remainer George Osbourne.

LOL

 

it also states

 

with 9 per cent responding that negotiations were “going well

 

that must actually mean 9 people in the whole universe

[Dardandec 32]

50 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Brexit poll reveals all of England and Wales now favour no deal - except London

I don't, so it is flawed straight away, try again. (I don't live or frequent in London BTW )

[Top Cats Hat 10]

Have all the vocal Brexiters given up?

 

They seem to have completely disappeared from outside the Houses of Parliament.

[Car Boot 10]

7 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Have all the vocal Brexiters given up?

 

They seem to have completely disappeared from outside the Houses of Parliament.

Maybe they have homes to go to? It's very late, or very early!

2 hours ago, Longcol said:

Bit late with that bit of news - people have already linked to the stories on the same poll carried by Metro and the Torygraph.

 

Try reading the thread a bit before posting.

My link was to a staunch pro-Remain publication. 

 

The Metro and The Telegraph links had been discredited by some forum contributors as being 'pro-Brexit'. 

 

Please try to keep up.

[apelike 10]

3 hours ago, Mister M said:

For anyone who think that people knew they were voting a for a 'no deal Brexit', someone has very kindly put together a compendium of snippets from parliamentary debates, television news items and other nuggets of leading Brexiteers in parliament and across society that have now been shown this to be false. 

All that shows is someone is capable of putting together some snippets trying to show he is right in his assumptions when he is actually wrong.

 

People did know what they were voting for and at the time there was never any mention of any deal at all only leave the EU. The idea was then put forward much later after the referendum of leaving with a negotiated deal instead, and because of that idea leaving without a deal also came into play. The remainers then capitalised on that trying to falsely make out and twisting the idea that the people voting leave didnt know what they were voting for and didnt vote for leaving without a deal. Both assumptions are wrong as at that time a deal was never mentioned and never on the cards as the timing of events shows.

 

In one of the Electoral Commission Reports and surveys reported in Sept 2016, also taken note of by the Lords in a referendum briefing paper, it states quite clearly that 75% of the population that voted knew what they were voting for. I would rather believe that report and them than believe an ardent remainer who just craves for attention on twitter. 

 

Some quotes from that report:

 

Voters’ views about information at the referendum

 

3.58 "Our public opinion research asked people how much they felt they knew about the referendum on 23 June 2016. Eighty four percent said that they knew a great deal (34%) or a fair amount (50%) about what the referendum was for. This compares well with data from other elections and referendums."

 

Did people feel informed about the referendum?

 

3.65 "Our public opinion survey also explored whether voters had enough information about the ‘leave’ and ‘remain’ arguments to be able to make an informed decision how to vote in the referendum. Sixty two percent of respondents agreed that they did compared to 28% who disagreed. There was a clear pattern by age group with those aged 18-34 least likely to agree they had enough information to make an informed decision (52% agreed), 35-54 year olds more likely (63% agreed) and those aged 55+ most likely (70% agreed)."

 

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/215279/2016-EU-referendum-report.pdf