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[Bob Arctor 11]

You have to wonder how much of this is due to so many ministers having been brought through the public school system. They have gone into the Brexit negotiations thinking it's 1880, full of entitlement and the expectation that they will get what they want because they're British and in their priviliged social milieu they do generally get what they want through knowing the right people and having been to the right school, and have been imbued with the history and tradition of when Britain was a powerful state. It's got them nowhere, of course, because it's 2019.

[tinfoilhat 11]

5 minutes ago, Bob Arctor said:

You have to wonder how much of this is due to so many ministers having been brought through the public school system. They have gone into the Brexit negotiations thinking it's 1880, full of entitlement and the expectation that they will get what they want because they're British and in their priviliged social milieu they do generally get what they want through knowing the right people and having been to the right school, and have been imbued with the history and tradition of when Britain was a powerful state. It's got them nowhere, of course, because it's 2019.

You’d think that but Davis is from a council estate in London and was the point man for the first 18 months or so where he achieved the sum total of **** all, turning up unprepared, when he did bother to turn up to negotiations at all.

[Car Boot 10]

50 minutes ago, Litotes said:

GDP (PPP) values

9th in 2018 according to IMF

9th in 2017 according to the World Bank

9th in 2017 according to CIA World Factbook

UK GDP (PPP) values according to IMF and the World Bank

 

8th in 1980

8th in 1985

8th in 1990

10th in 1995

10th in 2000

9th in 2005

9th in 2010

9th in 2015

 

The benefits of our EU membership have been greatly exaggerated.

Edited March 20, 2019 by Car Boot

[JFKvsNixon 11]

3 hours ago, Penistone999 said:

That suits me fine.  We need a Brexiteer Prime minister 

I can't see many Brexiteers putting their head above the parapet. Those who're willing to throw their hat in the ring are far too divisive to get enough votes to win a Tory leadership contest, so at this moment the most likely pro-Brexit PM you could get would by Corbyn. How would you like that?

[davyboy 18]

As Paul Daniels would say "Not a lot"

[Mister M 1,609]

Not sure if this is on here but the Guardian is reporting that UK's emergency plans for a no deal Brexit are going to be put into action

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/20/uks-emergency-plans-for-no-deal-brexit-begin-to-be-put-into-action

 

 

[Litotes 63]

1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

UK GDP (PPP) values according to IMF and the World Bank

 

8th in 1980

8th in 1985

8th in 1990

10th in 1995

10th in 2000

9th in 2005

9th in 2010

9th in 2015

 

The benefits of our EU membership have been greatly exaggerated.

????

 

So we haven't declined in our ranking while we have been in membership of the EU - while the turmoil of the world economy has gone on around us -all the while challenging our "empire" status.

 

That actually sound like economic success to me.

 

Another own goal from a Brexiteer!!!

 

He shoots, he scores (at the wrong end)!

35 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Not sure if this is on here but the Guardian is reporting that UK's emergency plans for a no deal Brexit are going to be put into action

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/20/uks-emergency-plans-for-no-deal-brexit-begin-to-be-put-into-action

 

 

Isn't it ironic that many yellowhammers winter in the south of Europe and come back to the UK during the summer months?

 

" some birds move south of their breeding range in Spain, Italy and other Mediterranean countries.^[ "

[ez8004 10]

I can't see how May will even get her deal voted on a third time.  Especially when the Speaker intervened the way he did.  The only way I can see is if the PM prorogues Parliament.  It all sounds simple enough, but using the Queen as a political instrument?  Good luck with that.

 

Labour are playing the ultimate game of chicken.  This coming week will be an absolute spectacle in politics.  The PM's deal has been voted down twice by large margins and the liklihood of a third vote is highly unlikely.  The House of Commons has already voted on not allowing a no deal to happen under any circumstance.  So we can't leave with a deal and we can't leave with no deal.  You  would have thought that in this scenario that revoking A50 would be a natural step.  However, the PM is truly stubborn if anything, so if she thinks she can run down the clock, so we "accidentally" fall out of the EU, then she would be in for a rude awakening.  Going against the explicit will of the House of Commons will see her lose a confidence vote very easily.  She defended the last one because being rubbish at negotiating a Brexit deal isn't really grounds for bringing down a government.  However, going against the democratic will of the Parliament is an absolute line that should never be crossed.  A fall in government I believe would be a good enough reason for the EU for us to seek a longer extension to A50.  Now, if this were to happen, I can't imagine any circumstance where Parliament could then agree on an alternative government to take over.  So a logical conclusion would be a General Election.

 

A General Election is now MORE likely than a second referendum.  Who would have thought.

[Car Boot 10]

13 minutes ago, Litotes said:

????

 

So we haven't declined in our ranking while we have been in membership of the EU - while the turmoil of the world economy has gone on around us -all the while challenging our "empire" status.

 

That actually sound like economic success to me.

 

Another own goal from a Brexiteer!!!

 

He shoots, he scores (at the wrong end)!

The point, which seems to have gone way over your head, is that economically our membership of the EU has barely benefitted the UK. GDP hasn't improved since we became an EU member, and GDP (PPP) has remained the same since before the Brexit vote. In fact its remained the same since 2005. Is that because of the 2016 vote to Leave also?

 

If EU membership has virtually no economic benefit, why be a member?

 

The benefits of our EU membership have been greatly exaggerated. 

Edited March 20, 2019 by Car Boot

[RJRB 688]

1 minute ago, Car Boot said:

The point is, which seems to have gone way over your head, is that economically our membership of the EU has barely benefitted the UK. GDP hasn't improved since we became an EU member, and GDP (PPP) has remained the same since before the Brexit vote. In fact its remained the same since 2005. Is that because of the 2016 vote to Leave also?

 

The benefits of our EU membership have been greatly exaggerated. 

The benefits of not having EU membership have not been greatly exaggerated.

In fact they have yet to be detailed.

[Car Boot 10]

16 minutes ago, Litotes said:

????

 

So we haven't declined in our ranking while we have been in membership of the EU - while the turmoil of the world economy has gone on around us -all the while challenging our "empire" status.

 

That actually sound like economic success to me.

 

Another own goal from a Brexiteer!!!

 

He shoots, he scores (at the wrong end)!

What is this "empire status" that has been challenged nonsense? The majority of British colonies had been given their independence by 1968, long before we joined the EU.

[apelike 10]

40 minutes ago, ez8004 said:

So we can't leave with a deal and we can't leave with no deal. 

Why as leaving without a deal is still the default?  Unless you are assuming that the non binding vote on stopping us leaving without a deal (which this government can ignore) is valid.

 

Edited March 21, 2019 by apelike