Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[I1L2T3 10]

14 minutes ago, apelike said:

The poor have always suffered but it probable depends now on what is termed as poor or being in poverty as its now classed as being relative.

 

I dont think you understand that its the people like me (poor) that also voted in their droves to leave and most I believe are willing to ride out the storm that may or may not be coming. I say storm because it is a bit like a weather forecast and as we know the majority of them are never right.

I understand that people voted for change.

 

I could accept that you may argue that Leaving the EU is a way of completely upending British politics but I honestly don’t think most leavers ever intended that.

 

For most leave voters it was a spasm of incoherent protest and rage against completely the wrong target.

 

People seriously aren’t prepared to lose their jobs, careers, homes and health for this. No matter how much they say they want that they will not continue to hold that view if their lives are disrupted for any length of time.

 

So we better hope you are right. One hell of a risk though.

[Car Boot 10]

On 15/03/2019 at 15:29, tinfoilhat said:

Part 7, hoping this is the part where I see a genuine positive for leaving.

 

Come on leavers, lets do this!!!!

Using your parlance, a genuine positive reason for Leaving the EU (and all of its institutions) would be to enable a future Socialist government to abolish all public schools in the UK. Public schools, such as Eton and Harrow, are a major tool of the class system, ensuring that the country Remains under the control of a small, wealthy elite.

 

Unfortunately the European Convention on Human Rights (Article 2 of the First Protocol: The right to education) gives the wealthy and the privileged the right to a private education and so deliberately prevents the creation of a non-class based egalitarian society run for the benefit of the many, not the few.

[geared 303]

47 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

 

So we better hope you are right. One hell of a risk though.

 

Yea if we all turn round in 18 months and decide leaving the EU wasn't the best idea it's not like we can simply hop back into the club.

 

[melthebell 862]

3 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Using your parlance, a genuine positive reason for Leaving the EU (and all of its institutions) would be to enable a future Socialist government to abolish all public schools in the UK. Public schools, such as Eton and Harrow, are a major tool of the class system, ensuring that the country Remains under the control of a small, wealthy elite.

 

Unfortunately the European Convention on Human Rights (Article 2 of the First Protocol: The right to education) gives the wealthy and the privileged the right to a private education and so deliberately prevents the creation of a non-class based egalitarian society run for the benefit of the many, not the few.

so  a human right to education only helps the elite?? what about when there wasnt any education for the poorer in society? surely that was keeping the wealthy and priviliged in their place??

Edited March 18, 2019 by melthebell

[Car Boot 10]

1 minute ago, melthebell said:

so  a human right to education only helps the elite?? what about when there wasnt any education for the poorer in society? surely that was keeping the wealthy and priviliged in their place??

We're discussing the present, how the EU prevents the abolition of the archaic class-based private education system because it skills the future leaders of capitalism. 

6 minutes ago, melthebell said:

so  a human right to education only helps the elite?? what about when there wasnt any education for the poorer in society? surely that was keeping the wealthy and priviliged in their place??

Actually, the EU states that it is a human right to a private education.

 

This is utterly wrong and perpetuates class domination and control.

[RJRB 688]

2 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

We're discussing the present, how the EU prevents the abolition of the archaic class-based private education system because it skills the future leaders of capitalism. 

I am all for the principles of Socialism and equality ,and I am both against and fearful of  the shift to the far right in many countries.

For this reason I cannot understand your apparent willingness to follow the instigators and supporters of a Hard Brexit,who are certainly represented in this country by the elite hard right.Step forward Boris and Rees Mogg.

Your belief that Brexit will lead us towards equality or benefit those most in need baffles me,unless you believe that total anarchy and chaos will somehow create a new classless society.

 

[Top Cats Hat 10]

24 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Using your parlance, a genuine positive reason for Leaving the EU (and all of its institutions) would be to enable a future Socialist government to abolish all public schools in the UK. Public schools, such as Eton and Harrow, are a major tool of the class system, ensuring that the country Remains under the control of a small, wealthy elite.

You really don't live in the real world, do you? 😱

[L00b 441]

1 hour ago, apelike said:

That is just rubbish reporting, just read exactly what methodology was used in compiling that data as basically Mr Hickmott (the compiler) assumes that all the job losses he has reported are attributed to brexit!

Except for the small -and entirely logical- bit, that articles about job losses not directly or indirectly attributable to Brexit are not included in the data.

 

The easiest verification is by clicking the linked source table for the data, and consulting the reason(s) stated in each reported article for the job losses: observe the last few columns, and the ratio of 'trade barriers' and 'moved/moving to the EU' ticks relative to the others paints quite the picture.

 

You can make a counter-argument about two of the first 3 columns/reasons (the very first, Sterling's depreciation, is arguably attributable to the 2016 vote), but those last 2 columbs/reasons I noted above, are quite clearly associated with Brexit.

Edited March 18, 2019 by L00b

[melthebell 862]

34 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

We're discussing the present, how the EU prevents the abolition of the archaic class-based private education system because it skills the future leaders of capitalism. 

Actually, the EU states that it is a human right to a private education.

 

This is utterly wrong and perpetuates class domination and control.

NO!! it says a RIGHT TO EDUCATION....it just happens to also mention private education in the last paragraph

[L00b 441]

36 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

We're discussing the present, how the EU prevents the abolition of the archaic class-based private education system because it skills the future leaders of capitalism. 

Actually, the EU states that it is a human right to a private education.

 

This is utterly wrong and perpetuates class domination and control.

I don't believe that EU legislation prevents any government from abolishing private education should it so wish, so long as that government maintains equality of access to basic education for all.

 

But perhaps you can explain why my belief is wrong, and try to convince me otherwise. In the meantime, and until you do, I'm calling BS on your point (for a change).

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John Bercow has ruled out another vote on the government's previously rejected Brexit agreement if the motion remains "substantially the same".

He told the Commons that parliamentary conventions dating back to 1604 meant MPs could not be asked to vote on precisely the same subject twice.

MPs rejected Theresa May's Brexit deal with the EU by 149 votes last week.

 

Mr Bercow said this vote was "in order" but any further votes must pass this "test" in order to be allowed.

Looks like a third vote won't be allowed.

[L00b 441]

Ouch. If Theresa doesn't pull something legislatively magic out of her handbag, then her and Parliament's choice will be 2nd referendum within the extension (...if asked and then if secured) or Brexit without a deal in 11 days' time.

Edited March 18, 2019 by L00b