Consequences of Brexit [part 7] Read first post before posting

[Litotes 63]

3 hours ago, Car Boot said:

 Such as the economic pillaging of the labour of poor member states to service the economies of rich ones.

Wow - to advocate the restriction of movement rather than the freedom of movement we currently have suggests that your right wing background is coming through.

 

[apelike 10]

18 hours ago, Litotes said:

Why? It overturned a democratic vote we had before...

It didn't as that vote was about remaining in the EEC and not the modern EU. Notice that we were never asked or had a vote to join the EEC in the first place which should tell you something.

[Car Boot 10]

1 hour ago, Litotes said:

Wow - to advocate the restriction of movement rather than the freedom of movement we currently have suggests that your right wing background is coming through.

 

The EU directive on freedom of movement is one of the four economic freedoms for business. 

 

It was deliberately designed to promote widespread social dumping in the EU, where employers exploit the differences in wages and working conditions between a poorer home and a richer host country for financial gain. Employers have used cheap, nomadic migrant EU labour to reduce costs at home sites, or relocated abroad to continue supplying domestic markets using cheaper labour.

 

Because of the EU, cross border social dumping and the exploitation of migrant workers is now viewed as standard free market capitalism business practice. Those who support it reveal that profit, and not people, is their primary concern.

[El Cid 220]

1 hour ago, apelike said:

It didn't as that vote was about remaining in the EEC and not the modern EU. Notice that we were never asked or had a vote to join the EEC in the first place which should tell you something.

The Labour Government in 1975 announced the results of the renegotiation of the United Kingdom's terms of membership of the European Community. They then asked the question -

 

Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?

So the deal was done before the referendum question was asked. Maybe we should ask the question of whether people want to stay or leave the EU, when they know what the deal is?

[apelike 10]

32 minutes ago, El Cid said:

The Labour Government in 1975 announced the results of the renegotiation of the United Kingdom's terms of membership of the European Community. They then asked the question -

 

Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?

So the deal was done before the referendum question was asked. Maybe we should ask the question of whether people want to stay or leave the EU, when they know what the deal is?

It may seem a strange parallel but Cameron also did the same buy trying to renegotiate and then holding a referendum with the remain or leave choice. In 1975 the attempted renegotiation was with 8 other members in an entirely different setup unlike the recent one which has 27 other members. The problem here being that the bigger it gets the harder it is to control or do any deals and the longer it takes to sort out. As things progress and the EU enlarges then it will become even more of a problem.

Edited March 17, 2019 by apelike

[andyofborg 11]

1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

The EU directive on freedom of movement is one of the four economic freedoms for business. 

 

It was deliberately designed to promote widespread social dumping in the EU, where employers exploit the differences in wages and working conditions between a poorer home and a richer host country for financial gain. Employers have used cheap, nomadic migrant EU labour to reduce costs at home sites, or relocated abroad to continue supplying domestic markets using cheaper labour.

 

Because of the EU, cross border social dumping and the exploitation of migrant workers is now viewed as standard free market capitalism business practice. Those who support it reveal that profit, and not people, is their primary concern.

or alternatively, it has allowed people from poorer countries to improve their lot. something which has happened for centuries.

 

it also isn't limited to the  EU, take for example the transfer of manufacturing and service sector jobs to asia and other places. at least the freedom of movement has allowed stuff to be done in the UK which means the people doing it spend their money in the UK economy rather than it just vanishing overseas.

 

leaving the EU wont change this trend or even slow it down, if some of the less positive consequences of leaving the EU occur then it might even increase as the drive to reduce costs increases.  this drive will also lead to a push to reduce enviromental and employment protections to try and keep jobs in this country.

 

 

[taxman 12]

So the Maybot has got a third chance of getting her deal through this week. No deal is quite rightly off the table so the only options she's allowing is her deal or extended membership.

 

The Backstop seems to be the sticking point....but can anyone, remain or leave, explain what the "backstop" is? For her Brexit no deal loving morons it seems to be a neverending link to Europe...why, how, what does it do?

 

I'm a remainer but I'm happy for a deal that doesn't leave us a poverty stricken island in the middle of nowhere with the only trade deals with Papua New Guinea and Vanuatu.

 

Can anyone explain what exactly the "backstop" is?

[Car Boot 10]

1 minute ago, taxman said:

So the Maybot has got a third chance of getting her deal through this week. No deal is quite rightly off the table so the only options she's allowing is her deal or extended membership.

 

The Backstop seems to be the sticking point....but can anyone, remain or leave, explain what the "backstop" is? For her Brexit no deal loving morons it seems to be a neverending link to Europe...why, how, what does it do?

 

I'm a remainer but I'm happy for a deal that doesn't leave us a poverty stricken island in the middle of nowhere with the only trade deals with Papua New Guinea and Vanuatu.

 

Can anyone explain what exactly the "backstop" is?

To many people we have been a poverty stricken island with EU membership for decades.

 

Remainers need to take off the blinkers.

[taxman 12]

Just now, Car Boot said:

To many people we have been a poverty stricken island with EU membership for decades.

 

Remainers need to take off the blinkers.

We've been poverty stricken because of the austerity policies of your Tory chums. We see through you.

[melthebell 863]

3 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

To many people we have been a poverty stricken island with EU membership for decades.

 

Remainers need to take off the blinkers.

we havent though, its a lie, hence why we along with the other bigger countries in the EU pay more than others...we had a great economy

[tinfoilhat 11]

26 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

To many people we have been a poverty stricken island with EU membership for decades.

 

Remainers need to take off the blinkers.

It’s the 5th largest economy in world. 

[Lex Luthor 10]

11 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

If both sides cheated that makes it worse, and the referendum result even less valid.

 

Thanks for the long post but there’s the facts. And they will come back to haunt every single MP who voted through a bad Brexit or a no deal

Why do you still insist with 'if'?  Surely someone of your intelligence can be in no doubt of the fact. 

 

Also, I'd like to apologise to you for my unnecessary comments about your posts, I have tried very hard to keep personal comments out of this. 

Edited March 17, 2019 by Lex Luthor