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12 minutes ago, woodview said:

My agenda is simple. If they did it jail them. Unlike some apologists on here, they'd be away for a very very long time.

But also I doubt what some people on here say. And I have zero sympathy with the perpetrators political views. Doesn't mean making up stories is ok does it?

You claim to be a left winger but most remainers on here (not all) are also left wing.

 

You have no sympathy or affinity with them? Seriously?

 

Mask slipping a little?

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28 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

probably more towards Brexit, mainly because of the superiority complex of Remain voters 

But that just makes you look as dumb as those Leave voters at the bottom of the economic pile who voted to make themselves poor because they were 'sticking it to the man!'

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2 hours ago, melthebell said:

all through the french protests it was said a large sway of them were right wing

This latest "escapade" can't be helping, seems their movement got hijacked.

 

Looks like the French have sussed 'em:

https://www.politico.eu/article/most-french-want-yellow-jackets-movement-to-stop-poll/

Edited by Magilla

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2 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

I see Porsches are facing a possible 10% surcharge. This may just swing it to Remain for me.

People who buy Porsche’s won’t be put off buying one over a 10% extra charge anyway  and if they are then they shouldn’t be buying a Porsche in the first place. 😊

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gosh if buying a Porsche being a remoner or brexitee, we are all lost

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5 minutes ago, mafya said:

People who buy Porsche’s won’t be put off buying one over a 10% extra charge anyway  and if they are then they shouldn’t be buying a Porsche in the first place. 😊

You don't live in the real world, do you?

 

Very few Porsches are bought for cash by millionaires. The majority are bought on finance by blokes who have always wanted one. A 10% extra charge will put about 8K on the price and will make the difference between bying it now, buying it in two years time or not buying it at all!

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5 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

That is all just your interpretation. Nearly all of it biased and wrong.

 

Not biased at all and backed up by reality based on facts unlike what is stated in that link.

 

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The implementation is purely political. The referendum wasn’t binding. It was a political sense of having an obligation to implement the result that led to acts of Parliament being passed.

What you call a political sense of having an obligation is in fact called democracy as parliament as our representatives voted to pass acts to allow the UK to leave. It does not matter now at this stage that it was not binding as we have moved on since and those acts have been passed.

 

Although the results of referendums may not be binding, according to the Lords:

 

House of Lords Library Briefing I Referendums and Parliamentary Democracy

"Parliamentary sovereignty, and the associated principle that no
Parliament can bind a successor, makes the concept of a legally binding
referendum impossible in theory. However, it is clear that, in reality,
referendums are seen by the public as conferring an obligation on
parliamentarians to deliver the result."

 

And like it or not that is exactly what parliament did! If parliament now wish to change its mind after all that then they have the power to do so.

 

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The Leave campaign wrong-doing has had to be proven to a criminal burden of proof. That is how the process works. Look it up.

 

And what was that wrong-doing?

 

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Sorry, but you don’t seem to understand any of this.

 Yes I do, its you who are anti brexit and spinning it just as that whole article does.

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On 16/02/2019 at 19:34, I1L2T3 said:

Today’s pro-Brexit march in Manchester: 12 people turned up.

 

Twelve!!!

 

😆

why would they have to?

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5 hours ago, phil752 said:

why would they have to?

Because they’re not getting a hard Brexit

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6 hours ago, apelike said:

 

Not biased at all and backed up by reality based on facts unlike what is stated in that link.

 

What you call a political sense of having an obligation is in fact called democracy as parliament as our representatives voted to pass acts to allow the UK to leave. It does not matter now at this stage that it was not binding as we have moved on since and those acts have been passed.

 

Although the results of referendums may not be binding, according to the Lords:

 

House of Lords Library Briefing I Referendums and Parliamentary Democracy

"Parliamentary sovereignty, and the associated principle that no
Parliament can bind a successor, makes the concept of a legally binding
referendum impossible in theory. However, it is clear that, in reality,
referendums are seen by the public as conferring an obligation on
parliamentarians to deliver the result."

 

And like it or not that is exactly what parliament did! If parliament now wish to change its mind after all that then they have the power to do so.

 

 

And what was that wrong-doing?

 

 Yes I do, its you who are anti brexit and spinning it just as that whole article does.

You’re still missing the point. I think.

 

The referendum was never legally binding. It was considered to be morally and politically binding.

 

The subsequent implementation has taken place against a backdrop of a proven burden of criminality by the leave campaigns on multiple counts. Investigations are still continuing. This is beyond dispute. It’s fact.

 

One point that the article makes is that technically the referendum is not valid because a fully legal referendum hasn’t yet taken place. It’s most likely correct and is interesting but in practical terms not much use.

 

What is of use is the fact that Parliament is sovereign(not the government), and could take back control from May and revoke A50 without her being able to stop it happening. All it takes to initiate the process is a private members bill at the right time. From a single MP.

 

The article explains most of this very well. I’m not surprised you find it uncomforting.

Edited by I1L2T3

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9 hours ago, Magilla said:

This latest "escapade" can't be helping, seems their movement got hijacked.

 

Looks like the French have sussed 'em:

https://www.politico.eu/article/most-french-want-yellow-jackets-movement-to-stop-poll/

Their movement has been getting hijacked left and right for weeks, the average French (and Begian, yellow jackets started there first) has had just about enough of them. I've been telling ye all for days. I live by the placetravel in twice-weekly on average, and take my news as much from French media as from the UK, Luxbg and Germany. I would have an at least semi-informed opinion, as would Longcol ;)

8 hours ago, mafya said:

People who buy Porsche’s won’t be put off buying one over a 10% extra charge anyway  and if they are then they shouldn’t be buying a Porsche in the first place. 😊

Every EU-made car would attract a 10 to 11% tariff in the UK post-no deal Brexit, because WTO.

 

Unless car manufacturers like Nissan (Sunderland), BMW-Mini (Oxford), PSA (Vauxhall) etc. scale down & repurpose their UK plants for servicing the UK and Irish markets, that would shortly be all new cars on UK forecourts. Expect a boon in the used car market, likewise in garages for maintaining cars beyond current average ownership/mileage statistics.

 

That wasn't the plan, still isn't, but a business case might well arise wherein it's worth my while re-reg'ing my Merc on UK plates, and bringing it back to sell it on ;)

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