The Consequences of Brexit [Part 6] READ FIRST POST BEFORE COMMENTING

[JFKvsNixon 11]

One of the main causes of the current impasse was that the referendum only told our politicians what we didn't want, it never gave them any instructions on what to do next, so it was always going to end up being messy. 

 

The other issue was that the pro-Brexit politicians were either ignorant of the difficulty of leaving the EU, or they misled the public about that difficulty. Time and time again they boasted that we held all the cards in the negotiating game and the deal would be one of the easiest deals in history to work out.  Now you have prominent Brexiteers talking of it taking 50 years before we see the benefits of Brexit. Even Farage, is now saying that  he never said that Brexit would be a success and that if Brexit does end up being a disaster he'll avoid it's consequences by moving abroad, leaving you and me and the rest of the UK to face the music.

 

Another thing to note, was that throughout process the chances of a no deal Brexit and it's consequences were dismissed, to the point that it was claimed that no plans were made for it, and yet here we are on the verge of crashing out without a deal.

 

You do have to wonder what the whole point of Brexit was. It's looking more and more like it had nothing to do with trying to forge a new path for the UK and it's main purpose was to win a political civil war in the Tory party and/or to give the EU a bloody nose.

 

 

 

[Magilla 510]

9 minutes ago, retep said:

 

Not a happy chappy is he,

 

"In an open letter to European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker, Ratcliffe warned Europe is 'no longer competitive' as a result of its strict energy and labour laws, which he claims are the most expensive in the world. "

In translation, he wants the UK to scrap worker protections and safety laws.... weird huh, another thing everyone was told was "project fear"... imagine my surprise....

 

[retep 68]

8 minutes ago, Magilla said:

In translation, he wants the UK to scrap worker protections and safety laws.... weird huh, another thing everyone was told was "project fear"... imagine my surprise....

 

Just seems another one who doesn't like paying his fair share.

[I1L2T3 10]

23 minutes ago, retep said:

 

Not a happy chappy is he,

 

"In an open letter to European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker, Ratcliffe warned Europe is 'no longer competitive' as a result of its strict energy and labour laws, which he claims are the most expensive in the world. "

Competitive against what?

 

Countries that are burning brown coal and paying people a few dollars a day?

 

The EU will be on the right side of history in all of this in terms of protection of the environment and people. And that is where I want the U.K. to be as well.

[Magilla 510]

1 minute ago, retep said:

Just seems another one who doesn't like paying his fair share.

Come on, you can do better than that!

 

Weird how all the recent ones are prominent Brexiteers... isn't it

 

 

[I1L2T3 10]

21 minutes ago, JFKvsNixon said:

One of the main causes of the current impasse was that the referendum only told our politicians what we didn't want, it never gave them any instructions on what to do next, so it was always going to end up being messy. 

 

The other issue was that the pro-Brexit politicians were either ignorant of the difficulty of leaving the EU, or they misled the public about that difficulty. Time and time again they boasted that we held all the cards in the negotiating game and the deal would be one of the easiest deals in history to work out.  Now you have prominent Brexiteers talking of it taking 50 years before we see the benefits of Brexit. Even Farage, is now saying that  he never said that Brexit would be a success and that if Brexit does end up being a disaster he'll avoid it's consequences by moving abroad, leaving you and me and the rest of the UK to face the music.

 

Another thing to note, was that throughout process the chances of a no deal Brexit and it's consequences were dismissed, to the point that it was claimed that no plans were made for it, and yet here we are on the verge of crashing out without a deal.

 

You do have to wonder what the whole point of Brexit was. It's looking more and more like it had nothing to do with trying to forge a new path for the UK and it's main purpose was to win a political civil war in the Tory party and/or to give the EU a bloody nose.

 

 

 

The Brexit leaders did not know how to leave the EU. They evolved their ideas from EEA all the way to no deal and are now rebounding towards original ideas with the concept of managed no deal. All because at no point have they been able to square their flawed and hare-brained ideology with reality.

 

They still don’t know what to do, and yes it exposes them greatly in terms of the damage they are willing to do in pursuit of their ideology.

 

The Brexiter leaders are enemies of the people of this country. Nothing less than traitors. They will sell out every man, woman and child if they have to.

4 minutes ago, Magilla said:

Come on, you can do better than that!

 

Weird how all the recent ones are prominent Brexiteers... isn't it

 

 

It’s not weird. They don’t have to live or work in the U.K. to profit from the misery that is coming. They’re all positioning themselves to be well out of it.

 

We won’t even be able to get them back here to prosecute them when the scale of their crimes becomes clear. They are looking to burn everything down including cross-border law enforcement and arrest warrants.

Edited February 17, 2019 by I1L2T3

[Magilla 510]

17 minutes ago, JFKvsNixon said:

It's looking more and more like it had nothing to do with trying to forge a new path for the UK and it's main purpose was to win a political civil war in the Tory party and/or to give the EU a bloody nose.

The fundamental problem in all of this is expecting any UK government not make a complete hash of the entire thing. It's almost a given.

 

In the case of Brexit, and specifically the referendum, all MP's need to hang their heads in shame.

 

The referendum was legally advisory:-

The need for a supermajority was rejected by the House of Commons, because it was advisory.

The need for all four member countries of the U.K. to vote for change was rejected by the House of Commons, because it was advisory.

 

Then Cameron completely ignored all the legal advice and promised that the result would be enacted *after* none of the above checks had been implemented, bypassing parliament who most certainly wouldn't have allowed a referendum on those terms if it hadn't been advisory!

 

On top of that, the illegalities of the Leave campaigns have been rejected by the courts as a reason to overturn the result, because it was advisory:

http://www.brexitshambles.com/the-legal-loophole-that-defies-democracy-in-britain/

 

Now we're on a path that no-one from the leave camps actually campaigned on, and that they specifically said couldn't happen.

 

The entire process has been lie after lie after ****-up after lie, and now.. .here we are.

 

The notion that the people that led us blindly here can somehow sort any of this out in a way that doesn't damage the UK is beyond me.
 

 

[Magilla 510]

23 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

The Brexiter leaders are enemies of the people of this country. Nothing less than traitors.

Without doubt, that is entirely the case!

[apelike 10]

2 hours ago, Magilla said:

On top of that, the illegalities of the Leave campaigns have been rejected by the courts as a reason to overturn the result, because it was advisory:

http://www.brexitshambles.com/the-legal-loophole-that-defies-democracy-in-britain/

That link is just full of anti brexit rubbish and basically a load of bull.

[I1L2T3 10]

1 hour ago, apelike said:

That link is just full of anti brexit rubbish and basically a load of bull.

I don’t think Brexiters are in a position to judge quite honestly

[retep 68]

4 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

Competitive against what?

 

Countries that are burning brown coal and paying people a few dollars a day?

 

The EU will be on the right side of history in all of this in terms of protection of the environment and people. And that is where I want the U.K. to be as well.

Talking of brown coal, don't know what they pay the workers, perhaps that's where they can't compete,

https://www.wired.com/story/if-germany-cant-quit-coal-can-anyone-else/

[hobinfoot 25]

19 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

Well done Brexiters.

 

Muppets

Listening to the news earlier about Flybmi they reported that this Airline carried thousands of passengers but this was equated by the No of flights to just 18 per journey. Flybmi reported yesterday the blame on the cost of fuel and other running costs then as an afterthought oh yes and blame brexit to.This company seems to have been badly run and would have failed with or without brexit.

Edited February 17, 2019 by hobinfoot