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Just now, L00b said:

You miss the fundamental point that, rather than "pushing for staying under mummy's EU wing", you can't help fix what need fixing with the EU from the outside, and electing to go outside regardless makes you a family rule-taking stranger, rather than an (influential) family member.

 

Since none of you are even willing to countenance the basic common sense of this point, i.e. since you are impervious to logic, all we're left with, is highlighting how life in the UK will get worse post-March'19 (especially now that we 'remainers' are not crystal ball gazers anymore, but vindicated late in the day by every government agency official contingency plan and even Leavers themselves), in the vain hope to try and get through your cognitive dissonance.

 

Doesn't matter if we succeed or not: at least, we'll always have the "told you so" by the supertanker load in the end, whilst you're busy blaming the EU, Barnier, Tusk, Verhofstadt, Varadkar, Merkel, Macron, German car manufacturers, immigants, Corbyn, Abbott and every last other entity, terrestrial and not that you can think of but yourselves, for not stopping you shooting your own head off.

The 'none of you' is a bit of a prejudicial sweeping statement, isn't it??

I would have been more than willing to look at staying. Before the referendum, Cameron tried and came back with half a packet of crisps and a subscription to Jelly of the Month Club. He tried to sell it, showing just what could be achieved from the inside.

Also, if fixing things from the inside was a possibility, wouldn't our President have mentioned it as an alternative to leaving? At the moment it looks very much like a 'do as you're told' type situation. That relationship isn't going to garner much support with anyone with an ounce of self esteem and respect.

 

Sure, Leavers may be not all in harmony with each other. Sorry that 51% of the electorate aren' all of an exact mindset, even within a political party  that situation doesn't exist.

I personally, would have gone for Remaining if things were likely to be changed for the better. Unfortunately it wasn't to be. Plus once the surface is scratched, there seem to be many who revert to the vitriolic language you slip into, which is worrying, and actually cements the ideas that leaving would be best.

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During these Brexit negotiations with the EU.

Should may have consulted Farage ?

Offered him a role in the negotiations ?

Has she not missed a trick by involving him ? - I think so in this case.

If it was not for Farage and UKIP, this referendum / Brexit outcome would have never happened.

He's had the measure of the EU agenda for years, he knows how Brussels operates.

Did he deserve a role in the negotiations ?

After all, he couldn't have done much worse could he ?

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, woodview said:

anyone with an ounce of self esteem and respect.

 

Sure, Leavers may be not all in harmony with each other. Sorry that 51% of the electorate aren' all of an exact mindset,

First of all it is 36.7% of the electorate, not 51%, and on the question of self esteem and respect, would you say that our esteem on the world stage has gone up or gone down since 2016?

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1 minute ago, Top Cats Hat said:

First of all it is 36.7% of the electorate, not 51%, and on the question of self esteem and respect, would you say that our esteem on the world stage has gone up or gone down since 2016?

yeah yeah, remain won on your maths, you've said every other post. You forgot to mention it was non-binding though this time.

 

Mine is the same, which is high.

I still have little faith in politicians of any persuasion here or or in the EU.

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21 minutes ago, woodview said:

The 'none of you' is a bit of a prejudicial sweeping statement, isn't it??

I'm reciprocating, for a change. Banging one's head against the brick wall of Leaver ignorance gets tiring every now and then. That's not a personal dig btw, I'm also generalising here.

21 minutes ago, woodview said:

I would have been more than willing to look at staying. Before the referendum, Cameron tried and came back with half a packet of crisps and a subscription to Jelly of the Month Club. He tried to sell it, showing just what could be achieved from the inside.

Cameron got just about everything he asked for. And it was a lot, considering the extent of à la carte membership the UK was already enjoying at the time.

 

Cameron had secured all that was needed to create a durable, two-sided EU with a non-integrating corpus headed by the UK (that would have been joined by the Netherlands, Sweden and other 'northerns').

 

But your media indeed misrepresented it as 'a packet of crisps' (without the extra subscription) to the great EU-illiterate unwashed, so that was easy pickings for the Tory ultras. Whence the referendum.

21 minutes ago, woodview said:

Also, if fixing things from the inside was a possibility, wouldn't our President have mentioned it as an alternative to leaving? At the moment it looks very much like a 'do as you're told' type situation. That relationship isn't going to garner much support with anyone with an ounce of self esteem and respect.

 

Sure, Leavers may be not all in harmony with each other. Sorry that 51% of the electorate aren' all of an exact mindset, even within a political party  that situation doesn't exist.

I personally, would have gone for Remaining if things were likely to be changed for the better. Unfortunately it wasn't to be. Plus once the surface is scratched, there seem to be many who revert to the vitriolic language you slip into, which is worrying, and actually cements the ideas that leaving would be best.

Glad to see you reverting to the stereotype there, blaming others for your decision ex post facto.

 

Is my vitriol worrying you? Awww. Leave posters were put on notice on 24 June 2016: Schadenfreude by the bucketload. I'm still dishing, and looking forward to the after-Brexit.

12 minutes ago, OPEN BORDERS said:

During these Brexit negotiations with the EU.

Should may have consulted Farage ?

Offered him a role in the negotiations ?

Has she not missed a trick by involving him ? - I think so in this case.

If it was not for Farage and UKIP, this referendum / Brexit outcome would have never happened.

He's had the measure of the EU agenda for years, he knows how Brussels operates.

Did he deserve a role in the negotiations ?

After all, he couldn't have done much worse could he ?

His expertise may well explain why the registered office of his new party, The Brexit Party, is a bed & breakfast in Norwich :lol:

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4 minutes ago, L00b said:

 

Cameron got just about everything he asked for. And it was a lot, considering the extent of à la carte membership the UK was already enjoying at the time.

 

Cameron had secured all that was needed to create a durable, two-sided EU with a non-integrating corpus headed by the UK (that would have been joined by the Netherlands, Sweden and other 'northerns'). But your media indeed misrepresented it as 'a packet of crisps' (without the extea subscription) to the great EU-illiterate unwashed, so that was easy pickungs for the Tory ultras. 

 

What did Cameron get offers of that we were mis-sold?

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7 minutes ago, OPEN BORDERS said:

During these Brexit negotiations with the EU.

Should may have consulted Farage ?

Offered him a role in the negotiations ?

Has she not missed a trick by involving him ? - I think so in this case.

Sorry, who would he be representing apart from himself? 

 

Surely one of the problems Teresa May has had was spending too much time listening to the cranks and crackpots from the right of her own party without listening to one from outside her party?

 

As I have said many, many times on here before, the outcome of the negotiations is determined by global economic realities and the the idea that we could get a better deal by shouting a bit louder at Barnier, Tusk and Verhofstadt is nonsense. The EU has all the best cards in its hand and we have a hand of rubbish cards. Yes, we can try to play a blind hand but given that the EU is never going to fold, our cards are always going to be seen eventually.

 

Once we had triggered Article 50 we were only ever going to get crumbs off the table. With Farage involved we may not even have got those.

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12 minutes ago, woodview said:

What did Cameron get offers of that we were mis-sold?

You mean, you don't actually know what you just called "a packet of crisps and a subscription to Jelly of the Month Club" in your earlier post?

 

Have an example of mis-selling on me as well. That's one of the smarter ones, too, relative to the red tops' usual toilet-bowl grade material. Nice choice of photo illustration an'all, don't you think?

 

That was already all part and parcel of the pup that you were sold in June 2016, btw.

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28 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

First of all it is 36.7% of the electorate, not 51%, and on the question of self esteem and respect, would you say that our esteem on the world stage has gone up or gone down since 2016?

What percent of the electorate voted remain?

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6 minutes ago, L00b said:

You mean, you don't actually know what you just called "a packet of crisps and a subscription to Jelly of the Month Club" in your earlier post?

 

Have an example of mis-selling on me as well. That's one of the smarter ones, too. Nice choice of photo illustration an'all, don't you think?

You've highlighted the mis selling, but not taken the opportunity to say what he actually got.

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3 minutes ago, woodview said:

You've highlighted the mis selling, but not taken the opportunity to say what he actually got.

You checked the first link to the Wikipedia entry in that post, right?

 

The one which itemises everything that made the deal which Cameron took back home?

 

Dear me.

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10 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

What percent of the electorate voted remain?

35 point something which meant that neither side got the support of even 40% of the electorate which means that calling Brexit 'the will of the people' is a complete joke! 😂

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