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[Bargepole23 337]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47055188

 

Don't remember this being on that bus.

 

This is on the head of every Leave voter.

 

Do you Leave voters think it a price worth paying?

Edited January 31, 2019 by Bargepole23

[RiffRaff 10]

16 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Being 'in' politics is not just about standing for office as a local councillor or as an MP.

 

It is just as much about educating yourself as to how the world works, and taking a view  on issues that are important to you. The UK is woefully behind many countries when it comes to a politically educated populous. Look at any TV quiz show. When 'politics' comes up as a subject, contestants look disappointed and always seem to have an expectation to know little or nothing about the subject. When a choice is given between 'politics' and 'celebrities' a contestant will almost always feel more comfortable going for the 'celebrity' option.

 

If more people had even a basic fundamental political understanding, they would have a framework into which they could place new information and make an assessment of it. It would certainly make us more resiliant to fake news and dog whistle political sloganeering as a nation. 

That's true, of course, but all you're able to do on the likes of this forum is browbeat/pontificate/argue one viewpoint against another.  It doesn't actually get you anywhere - other than (perhaps) eventually being able to say "I told you so!" - whereas if you stood/were elected in some capacity you'd at least have the power to implement certain actions.

 

[I1L2T3 10]

52 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Car Boot stated he showed his passport which is a form of ID.  He didn't say a passport was required.  The point is checks are already made on people travelling from Northern Ireland to the mainland UK and will continue after we leave the EU on 29th March without a Brexit deal.

Not on ferries last time I went. Car with four people and no ID checks

[Car Boot 10]

42 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Car Boot stated he showed his passport which is a form of ID.  He didn't say a passport was required.  The point is checks are already made on people travelling from Northern Ireland to the mainland UK and will continue after we leave the EU on 29th March without a Brexit deal.

The EU is proving to be extremely inconsistent in what it wants for the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic.

 

It has stated, and pushed it's puppet Leo Varadker to state, that a hard border will have to be enforced (presumably under an EU directive) on Ireland.

 

But in January this year the EU also stated that it supports a technological solution to avoid a hard border. What it has previously described as a 'fantasy island unicorn model' (when proposed by the British) becomes a "facilitative arrangements and technologies viable alternative to the backstop' when proposed by Jean-Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk in a joint letter earlier this month.

 

So the EU is playing a very dangerous game with Ireland. This proves the EU is dangerously irresponsible and working against peace in Ireland.

[ads36 214]

 

yes, a hard border will have to be enforced, in the event of a no-deal exit, it's the law.

 

yes, the EU are open to suggestions as to how to avoid that - including so-far-non-existent technological solutions, if they can be invented in time.

 

those are not incompatible positions.

 

it's the EU that are insisting on the back-stop, to prevent a hard border.

 

if we accepted the more-or-less-reasonable backstop, that would be the end of the matter.

 

but somehow it's the EU's fault?

 

Edited January 31, 2019 by ads36

[Car Boot 10]

1 minute ago, ads36 said:

 

yes, a hard border will have to be enforced, in the event of a no-deal exit, it's the law.

 

yes, the EU are open to suggestions as to how to avoid that - including so-far-non-existent technological solutions, if they can be invented in time.

 

those are not mutually exclusive positions.

 

 

If the EU with its enforced hard border in Ireland brings back the long war then it deserves to be consigned to the dustbin of history. 

 

People BEFORE EU profit. NO to an EU Frontier in Ireland. NO to an EU hard border. NO to the EU.

[Cyclone 10]

10 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

If the EU with its enforced hard border in Ireland brings back the long war then it deserves to be consigned to the dustbin of history. 

 

People BEFORE EU profit. NO to an EU Frontier in Ireland. NO to an EU hard border. NO to the EU.

You're an out and out idiot.  You want us to leave the EU, that's what creates a border with the EU.  It's entirely through our own actions.

1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said:

Car Boot stated he showed his passport which is a form of ID.  He didn't say a passport was required.  The point is checks are already made on people travelling from Northern Ireland to the mainland UK and will continue after we leave the EU on 29th March without a Brexit deal.

No

 

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Identity checks are carried out on each passenger entering Great Britain.

Not true.

 

Checks are not made on people entering by ferry.  Checks on IDs for flights are made, nothing to do with entering GB, all to do with aviation law for ANY flight.

47 minutes ago, RiffRaff said:

That's true, of course, but all you're able to do on the likes of this forum is browbeat/pontificate/argue one viewpoint against another.  It doesn't actually get you anywhere - other than (perhaps) eventually being able to say "I told you so!" - whereas if you stood/were elected in some capacity you'd at least have the power to implement certain actions.

 

And factually correct the almost always incorrect brexiters who seem to make up whatever nonsense they like to try to justify their position to themselves.

Edited January 31, 2019 by Cyclone

[Car Boot 10]

There has NEVER been a truly hard border in Ireland. Even during the height of The Troubles it was porous, with hundreds of crossings, and smuggling was rife. There was security to try and prevent terrorism, but it was unsuccessful for much of the time.

 

20, 000 British soldiers could not enforce a hard border - but the EU believes that it can.

 

The EU wants to bring back the queuing and the questioning, which the people will not tolerate. NO to the EU. NO to an EU hard border.

[Obelix 11]

1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said:

Car Boot stated he showed his passport which is a form of ID.  He didn't say a passport was required.  The point is checks are already made on people travelling from Northern Ireland to the mainland UK and will continue after we leave the EU on 29th March without a Brexit deal.

I've just come back on the ferry. Theres no ID check required.

There is no requirement for a passport between Eire and the UK. There ios the Common Travel Area....

[tinfoilhat 11]

Just another area where leavers are high ly divided. Ask penny, and many others, and they'd slap a fence up tomorrow. 

[Lockdoctor 10]

59 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

Not on ferries last time I went. Car with four people and no ID checks

The sensible thing to do is bring in new laws making it compulsory for all UK ferry and aviation passengers to show ID before being allowed to start a journey. When I say all the UK, I mean passengers travelling to and from the Isle of Wight as well as passengers travelling from Northern Ireland.

 

57 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The EU is proving to be extremely inconsistent in what it wants for the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic.

 

It has stated, and pushed it's puppet Leo Varadker to state, that a hard border will have to be enforced (presumably under an EU directive) on Ireland.

 

But in January this year the EU also stated that it supports a technological solution to avoid a hard border. What it has previously described as a 'fantasy island unicorn model' (when proposed by the British) becomes a "facilitative arrangements and technologies viable alternative to the backstop' when proposed by Jean-Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk in a joint letter earlier this month.

So the EU is playing a very dangerous game with Ireland. This proves the EU is dangerously irresponsible and working against peace in Ireland.

We all know the EU are using the Irish border situation in an attempt to get the decision the democratic UK people made over turned. The UK are one of the biggest contributors to the EU budget as well as having a massive trade deficit with other EU members. If the EU was a football squad of 28 members, then the UK would be the EU's most valuable player.  No struggling football team want to lose their most valuable player, which is why the EU are so desperate for the UK to remain in the EU and will use all the dirty tricks in the book to attempt to do so.

 

It goes without saying that remain voters,  who don't respect democracy and still want the UK to remain in the EU are also using the Irish border situation in a hope to get the democratic decision, the UK people made over turned.  Absolutely shameless behaviour.

Edited January 31, 2019 by Lockdoctor

[Car Boot 10]

14 minutes ago, Obelix said:

I've just come back on the ferry. Theres no ID check required.

There is no requirement for a passport between Eire and the UK. There ios the Common Travel Area....

I've always had to show photo ID. During the conflict, and in the years afterwards...

 

But I always fly.

 

The Irish people will not tolerate an EU enforced hard border in Ireland.

 

Irish peace BEFORE EU profit. 

 

NO to an EU frontier in Ireland. NO to a hard EU border.

 

 

Edited January 31, 2019 by Car Boot