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54 minutes ago, RiffRaff said:

This Forum's amazingly lucky, having so many experts contributing to this subject.
In depth analysis, far-sighted observations, even possible solutions to the problem.
So - seriously - why aren't you "in" politics?!

 

Being 'in' politics is not just about standing for office as a local councillor or as an MP.

 

It is just as much about educating yourself as to how the world works, and taking a view  on issues that are important to you. The UK is woefully behind many countries when it comes to a politically educated populous. Look at any TV quiz show. When 'politics' comes up as a subject, contestants look disappointed and always seem to have an expectation to know little or nothing about the subject. When a choice is given between 'politics' and 'celebrities' a contestant will almost always feel more comfortable going for the 'celebrity' option.

 

If more people had even a basic fundamental political understanding, they would have a framework into which they could place new information and make an assessment of it. It would certainly make us more resiliant to fake news and dog whistle political sloganeering as a nation. 

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1 hour ago, apelike said:

But with a margin of only 8 votes I think any intentions are **** poor and parliament is still very much divided.

Similar margin to the referendum. Looks fine to me.

 

Much higher turnout as well ;)

41 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Excellent, you used a lot words to agree with me that  the UK,  the Republic of Ireland and the EU haven't started any preparation work to install a hard border  before 29th March when the UK will leave the EU without deal unless a Withdrawal Agreement is reached that is acceptable to all parties.

They can’t. 

 

The New IRA would start terrorist acts against it within days

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2 hours ago, RiffRaff said:

This Forum's amazingly lucky, having so many experts contributing to this subject.
In depth analysis, far-sighted observations, even possible solutions to the problem.
So - seriously - why aren't you "in" politics?!

 

The burning question is where will we build the wicker man to put Rees-Mogg and Farage in Once this all goes wrong

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46 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

The New IRA would start terrorist acts against it within days

If they manage to get a look in!

 

Bertie Ahern, the Irish Prime Minister who helped negotiate the Belfast Agreement in 1997 with Tony Blair, said on Channel Four News last year that  if a hard border was ever erected in Ireland, the people of the border areas, North and South, would tear it down before the paramilitaries got anywhere near it.

 

To get an understanding of this, imagine a wall being erected on the road between Eckington and Staveley without the consent of the people of Yorkshire and Derbyshire. Then imagine a checkpoint erected on that road with compulsory ID checks and boot checks for random vehicles. Does anyone seriously think that people would put up with that? 

 

And let's not forget that the Irish have a much greater tradition for standing up for themselves than the English do.

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As a nation, we've clearly forgotten that we plan on asking the EU for a trade deal...

 

Look at the way  Canada / Japan behave towards the EU, and vice versa. It's all very respectful, and cordial. And it took years.

 

Compare and contrast with the way our government is moaning about this, demanding that and the other.  now try and imagine the EU rushing through a trade deal for us, once the dust settles...

 

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23 minutes ago, ads36 said:

now try and imagine the EU rushing through a trade deal for us, once the dust settles...

I suspect that one of the reasons that the Irish backstop has no time limit on it is precisely because any post-withdrawal trade negotiations are expected to be long and hard.

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5 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

I'm not entirely sure what you base that on.

 

Over 60% of the Irish people support a united Ireland and less than 10%  support leaving the EU.

It's not based on anything. It was not suggested as a serious solution to the current situation. It is however a valid scenario, however unlikely.

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3 hours ago, RiffRaff said:

This Forum's amazingly lucky, having so many experts contributing to this subject.
In depth analysis, far-sighted observations, even possible solutions to the problem.
 

 

Can't say I've noticed too many, personally.

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39 minutes ago, ads36 said:

As a nation, we've clearly forgotten that we plan on asking the EU for a trade deal...

 

Look at the way  Canada / Japan behave towards the EU, and vice versa. It's all very respectful, and cordial. And it took years.

 

Compare and contrast with the way our government is moaning about this, demanding that and the other.  now try and imagine the EU rushing through a trade deal for us, once the dust settles...

 

Trade is usually a two-way thing. We currently buy twice as much from the EU as they buy from us.

 

I can't imagine the Germans would be very happy at the EU putting up artificial barriers to them selling us their overpriced cars. Or the French with cars and their tired old stale wines.

 

And, of course, whatever barriers they impose on imports from the UK, we can reciprocate, and then buy from any non-EU country which is happy to trade with us.

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Yeah, childish tit-for-tat, that's historically the way to a mutually beneficial trade deal...

 

 

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2 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

Similar margin to the referendum. Looks fine to me.

But the point you and others are missing is that this is parliament our sovereign body and they need to show they are consolidated in their decisions both to the EU and the people of this country. Most of the amendments put forward have been defeated and the ones that have been carried are not binding and shows them up in a bad light to all.

 

2 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

They can’t. 

 

The New IRA would start terrorist acts against it within days

They would? Why?

 

 

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