melthebell   862 #517 Posted January 17, 2019 30 minutes ago, Car Boot said: We have a No Deal trading arrangement with our single biggest trading partner, the United States.  How is this possible? Surely we can't possibly survive outside of an EU trade deal? we trade with the US while IN the EU, surely thats not possible :O since trade was one of the main "lies" about brexit, and if you really think trump aint gonna screw us over when we go begging to him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Litotes   63 #518 Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Lockdoctor said: David Cameron made it perfectly that if the democratic UK people voted to leave the EU, then the UK would really leave the EU and there wouldn't be another referendum or further negotiations to keep the UK in the EU.  I don't remember DC saying there wouldn't be another one. After all if parliament decides that that is the best way to decide what happens, we are in no position to stop them - after all, we democratically elected them to deliver what they think best on our behalf. To suggest otherwise would be being a traitor to democracy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Top Cats Hat   10 #519 Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said: If, I am guilty of anything then I am guilty of respecting democracy. Respecting democracy is not a crime in my book. If you respect democracy then you support democratic decisions which you personally didn't vote for. Well you say that, but if Parliament were to pass legislation abandoning Brexit altogether as a bad idea, you would be spitting feathers and screaming about not respecting the will of the 'democratic people'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Car Boot   10 #520 Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Litotes said: I don't remember DC saying there wouldn't be another one. After all if parliament decides that that is the best way to decide what happens, we are in no position to stop them - after all, we democratically elected them to deliver what they think best on our behalf. To suggest otherwise would be being a traitor to democracy. Imposing another EU membership referendum on the UK public before the democratic outcome of the last one is implemented would invalidate the result of the June 2016 People's Vote immediately once it is announced.  17.4 million votes would in effect be stolen by a rich Remainer establishment. That would certainly be a traitor to democracy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RiffRaff   10 #521 Posted January 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Litotes said: I don't remember DC saying there wouldn't be another one.  "The Leave campaign is wrong to say there'll be a second referendum if we vote to remain in the EU. This is a referendum, not a neverendum." David Cameron, May 17, 2016 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Car Boot   10 #522 Posted January 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, melthebell said: we trade with the US while IN the EU, surely thats not possible 😮 since trade was one of the main "lies" about brexit, and if you really think trump aint gonna screw us over when we go begging to him You are aware that the UK can't make any trade deals with other countries while a member of the EU?  EU trade deals must benefit rich producers in 27 other countries at the expense of our poor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ANGELFIRE1   10 #523 Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Litotes said: I don't remember DC saying there wouldn't be another one. After all if parliament decides that that is the best way to decide what happens, we are in no position to stop them - after all, we democratically elected them to deliver what they think best on our behalf. To suggest otherwise would be being a traitor to democracy. Oh yes he did,  "And remember: they can’t undo the decision we take." "If we vote out, that’s it." "It is irreversible." "We will leave Europe – for good." "And the next generation will have to live with the consequences far longer than the rest of us." "For the next two days, up and down the country…" "…in homes, in pubs, in the staff room at work, on the train on the way home…" "…the conversations will continue: in or out? "But on Thursday, those conversations will stop."  The Full Transcript, if you wish to read it all.  EU referendum: Full transcript of David Cameron's last-ditch plea for Britain to Remain  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-brexit-latest-live-david-cameron-full-speech-remain-leave-a7093426.html  Angel1  Edited January 17, 2019 by ANGELFIRE1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ricgem2002   11 #524 Posted January 17, 2019 roll on when we leave lets get this hell out of here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Top Cats Hat   10 #525 Posted January 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, Car Boot said: You are aware that the UK can't make any trade deals with other countries while a member of the EU? Why would we want to when we would never get deals as good as we get now as part of a large trading bloc?  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
OPEN BORDERS   10 #526 Posted January 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: Why would we want to when we would never get deals as good as we get now as part of a large trading bloc?  Theres a big world out there TCH Stop being so blinkered. How do you think other countries survive ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
apelike   10 #527 Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Litotes said: I don't remember DC saying there wouldn't be another one. He did and the government has also confirmed it after Cameron had gone:  In its response to the Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee, published in December 2017, the Government defended its stance regarding the clarity of the EU referendum result and highlighted the role Parliament played when scrutinising legislation setting up a referendum: "The Government has been consistently clear, both before and after the referendum, that it would respect the outcome of the referendum. The Government is also clear that there must be no attempts to remain inside the EU and there will be no second referendum."  Edited January 17, 2019 by apelike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ANGELFIRE1   10 #528 Posted January 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: Why would we want to when we would never get deals as good as we get now as part of a large trading bloc?  And your evidence for that is ---  Angel1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...