WiseOwl182 10 #37 Posted February 20, 2019 5 hours ago, El Cid said: . It may well get a thread of its own. We can't have another thread for a new party. They'd all have to get merged into one "politics" thread. That still might leave scope for being able to navigate and follow discussion easily though, so maybe just merge every thread on the forum and call it "the discussion thread". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol 577 #38 Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said: We can't have another thread for a new party. Why not? Not aware that you own SF or are a moderator. And behold - there is a thread already 😎 https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/466462-a-new-small-political-party/ Edited February 20, 2019 by Longcol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WiseOwl182 10 #39 Posted February 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Longcol said: Why not? Not aware that you own SF or are a moderator. And behold - there is a thread already 😎 https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/466462-a-new-small-political-party/ It was sarcasm. A low form of wit, I know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
apelike 10 #40 Posted February 21, 2019 On 20/02/2019 at 13:07, Top Cats Hat said: How can you have a party with Conservatives and Labour supporters in it? It would be impossible to make a manifesto as UKIP found out when they tried to stand in Parliamentary elections. The same way as you can have a coalition government, they could simply have a coalition of independents who have a common agenda. However in my opinion they should be made to stand again as independents in their respective area by-elections. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Top Cats Hat 10 #41 Posted February 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, apelike said: The same way as you can have a coalition government, they could simply have a coalition of independents who have a common agenda. However in my opinion they should be made to stand again as independents in their respective area by-elections. No real comparison with a coalition government as it doesn't have to produce a manifesto. This question was put to Heidi Allen yesterday and she replied that policies for a possible new party were of secondary importance. She summed up by saying "Values first, policy second" which is so much vacuous nonsense. She also said that they would be canvassing the electorate for ideas on policy which sounds like New Labour 2 where principles are abandoned in favour of policy by focus group! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid 194 #42 Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: She summed up by saying "Values first, policy second" which is so much vacuous nonsense. She also said that they would be canvassing the electorate for ideas on policy which sounds like New Labour 2 where principles are abandoned in favour of policy by focus group! 1 They first need to wait and see how many MPs join their group, the policies will depend on that. If they are all remainers, that will affect the policies. They may have some members join the Liberal Democrats, if they have members that are very pro the climate, then they may favour a pact with the Greens, as the Liberal Democrats did in some areas. I may agree that a by-election should be called, but a cooling off period will benefit democracy. We do have the Recall of MPs Act 2015, maybe that is sufficient? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
apelike 10 #43 Posted February 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: No real comparison with a coalition government as it doesn't have to produce a manifesto. I dont think its compulsory to produce a manifesto and as we have seen in the past decades even when they do what is published is not really worth the paper it is written on as it can be ignored. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
apelike 10 #44 Posted February 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, El Cid said: I may agree that a by-election should be called, but a cooling off period will benefit democracy. We do have the Recall of MPs Act 2015, maybe that is sufficient? The recall of MP's Act does not cover this but maybe it should! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone 10 #45 Posted February 22, 2019 I looked up the recall act on Wed, it covers jail terms <1 year and expenses fraud. Rather limited really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WiseOwl182 10 #46 Posted February 22, 2019 How come Jezza is insistent they call by elections, yet is happy to let good old Jared remain independent in Hallam without a by election? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
jaffa1 10 #47 Posted February 22, 2019 On 21/02/2019 at 13:20, apelike said: The same way as you can have a coalition government, they could simply have a coalition of independents who have a common agenda. However in my opinion they should be made to stand again as independents in their respective area by-elections. Yes they should and as one politician said today they don't want a second vote for themselves in their own constituency but the want a second vote on Brexit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Top Cats Hat 10 #48 Posted February 22, 2019 I've now changed my mind on this. I think they should all stand for re-election (except Ian Austin). Usually there is a very specific, individual reason for an MP to resign from their party like there was with Jared O'Meara. This however is different. These resignations were not individuals taking individual action but a coordinated action with a common political aim. Not only that, but they now form a bloc in the commons which is equal in number to the Lib Dems. An individual defector usually wields little power however these individuals form the fourth largest voting bloc in the commons. If 50% of MP's changed party, they would constitutionally have every right to continue as an MP without re-election but it would then cause a sizeable disconnect between what people voted and how they are represented in Parliament. For these reasons I now think that they should all stand for re-election except for Ian Austin who is actually a genuine independant MP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...