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52 minutes ago, woodview said:

Very sad a child has died.

What was the government response when she asked for the baby to be sent to the uk without her for treatment?

I don't recollect that she did. I think it was always her intention to return to the UK with the child

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Any death is sad, people political point scoring on the back of it is sadder.

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3 hours ago, Delayed said:

the fact that her child was British

no it wasn't. At the time of its birth neither of its parents were British. It might have become British later on in its life, but at the time it died, the child wasn't British.  The child wasn't any nationality. It was a stateless person, or in this case, a stateless baby.  

 

somebody, somewhere, has to decide whether somebody else is a British subject. Nobody gets it 100% automatically.  Of course if you're born in Britain and both your parents have valid British passports that haven't been cancelled, it is pretty much a slam dunk that you're British, but you're not totally 100% you are until you apply for a passport yourself. 

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4 minutes ago, blake said:

no it wasn't. At the time of its birth neither of its parents were British. It might have become British later on in its life, but at the time it died, the child wasn't British.  The child wasn't any nationality. It was a stateless person, or in this case, a stateless baby.  

 

somebody, somewhere, has to decide whether somebody else is a British subject. Nobody gets it 100% automatically.  Of course if you're born in Britain and both your parents have valid British passports that haven't been cancelled, it is pretty much a slam dunk that you're British, but you're not totally 100% you are until you apply for a passpSort yourself. 

So why is everyone in the media and government describing the child as British?  I thought that the child was born before the mother's citizenship was revoked?  Meaning that the child would assume British citizenship.  Also a child born to a parent that is British automatically assumes their nationality even before applying for a passport. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law#British_citizenship_by_descent

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somebody somewhere has to decide whether somebody is a British citizen or not. 

 

how do you know that Bergum was even the child's mother at all? You only have her word for it and that she looked sort of pregnant when the journalist who broke the story interviewed her. 

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1 hour ago, blake said:

somebody somewhere has to decide whether somebody is a British citizen or not. 

 

how do you know that Bergum was even the child's mother at all? You only have her word for it and that she looked sort of pregnant when the journalist who broke the story interviewed her. 

Yeah, I think that would be the give away that she was in fact pregnant.

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2 hours ago, WasThatWise said:

Any death is sad, people political point scoring on the back of it is sadder.

Nonsense, it was a death brought about by politics.  Of course it should be discussed in a political context.

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15 minutes ago, Halibut said:

Nonsense, it was a death brought about by politics.  Of course it should be discussed in a political context.

It was a death brought about by pneumonia and an irresponsible, immature mother getting pregnant on a war torn country

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I cant believe some of the bickering and nit picking on this thread.

Remember an innocent baby has died. This kid did no harm to anyone regardless of who his mum was.

RIP little fella.

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55 minutes ago, Delayed said:

It was a death brought about by pneumonia and an irresponsible, immature mother getting pregnant on a war torn country

Irresponsible, immature PARENTS. The father is not blameless. Women don't get themselves pregnant.

 

I think she should have been allowed to come back, straight to prison, and the baby put into care. I know several foster families who would give a baby an excellent start in life. 

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She used this baby to blackmail Britain, believing it would secure her return. But Britain never negotiates with terrorists, so, her baby has simply become the latest innocent to tot-up the isis death tally. Three children, all dead, in the space of five years.  Way to go girl. 

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7 hours ago, woodview said:

Very sad a child has died.

What was the government response when she asked for the baby to be sent to the uk without her for treatment?

I read that she didn't want the child to come here alone, so can only assume from that she was hoping that she would be allowed to come back with the child. It is sad a child has died but that is not down to the Home Secretary or the British Government, it is down to the decisions she made.

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