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10 hours ago, Penistone999 said:

Ive always held that view.  Religions are nothing but brainwashing cults who prey on the vulnerable and those that are easily manipulated. Id ban the lot of them. 

That's you, that is.

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18 hours ago, Halibut said:

Depends in what way you mean worse.    Let's assume identical injuries from the assault -  a bloody nose and a black eye for the sake of argument.

 

Case a) The victim repeatedly harassed the perpetrators girlfriend, made lewd remarks and then called her a frigid slag when she told him where to get off. The perpetrator, having warned him several times to back off without result, loses his cool and punches him several times in the face.

 

Case b) The victim was walking down the street, minding his own business when the perpetrator approaches him, tells him to eff off back to where he came from and punches him several times in the face.

 

The injuries are identical, but I'd call case b) the worst assault because it's entirely without provocation.

 

What do you reckon?

I reckon you've just undermined your own position on equalling our army to Isis. By your own logic, the motivation and provocation are relevant. Applying that to Isis Vs our army in WW2, Isis comes out much worse. So yes, I'd agree with your assessment, provided you apply it consistently.

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1 hour ago, Halibut said:

That's you, that is.

He is bang on. Religion is to blame for many of the Worlds troubles .Children are brain washed from being born ,there should be no religious schools in our Country.

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2 minutes ago, Albert smith said:

He is bang on. Religion is to blame for many of the Worlds troubles .Children are brain washed from being born ,there should be no religious schools in our Country.

Extremism is to blame. There would still be problems in the world with or without religion. That includes wars because people still crave power and are selfish even in the absence of religion. 

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21 minutes ago, Albert smith said:

He is bang on.

So is Halibut ;)

 

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18 minutes ago, Delayed said:

Extremism is to blame. There would still be problems in the world with or without religion. That includes wars because people still crave power and are selfish even in the absence of religion. 

People are hard of thinking. Thats the problem. They do not like to dispassionately and fairly assess and evaluate. They prefer holding to their prejudices and reacting emotionally when challenged. Also they love to misrepresent those challenging them. They will do anything to shut down debate and rational examination of the truth of the matter.

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Stripping people of citizenship could increase terror risk -'' removing extremists’ citizenship left them free to continue terrorist activities abroad, prevented monitoring and encouraged the “dangerous delusion that terrorism can be made into a foreign problem” 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/shamima-begum-isis-british-citizenship-syria-sajid-javid-terorrism-government-latest-a8793541.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2f6gPqu9ISffGyVdkqvre0wASwc0m9hTv_c7W0GrV2OlTFBwk-u1G1V_s#Echobox=1550997190

1 hour ago, Albert smith said:

He is bang on. Religion is to blame for many of the Worlds troubles .Children are brain washed from being born ,there should be no religious schools in our Country.

So you don't believe people should be free to believe what they want Albert. That's dangerous thinking and it's exactly what groups like IS think. Oh dear, own goal.

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Penistone 999 and albert are absolutely right about religion in general; it's always been a way of controlling people through fear and the brainwashing element of Islam makes it especially dangerous. I'm not sure how brainwashing people from birth makes them free to believe what they want; I would have thought it had the opposite effect.

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10 minutes ago, despritdan said:

Penistone 999 and albert are absolutely right about religion in general; it's always been a way of controlling people through fear and the brainwashing element of Islam makes it especially dangerous. I'm not sure how brainwashing people from birth makes them free to believe what they want; I would have thought it had the opposite effect.

The so-called 'brainwashing' element of Islam exists in all other faiths, in that believers subscribe to a particular set of beliefs. On what grounds do you claim it's 'especially dangerous' in Islam?

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41 minutes ago, Halibut said:

Stripping people of citizenship could increase terror risk -'' removing extremists’ citizenship left them free to continue terrorist activities abroad, prevented monitoring and encouraged the “dangerous delusion that terrorism can be made into a foreign problem” 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/shamima-begum-isis-british-citizenship-syria-sajid-javid-terorrism-government-latest-a8793541.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2f6gPqu9ISffGyVdkqvre0wASwc0m9hTv_c7W0GrV2OlTFBwk-u1G1V_s#Echobox=1550997190

So you don't believe people should be free to believe what they want Albert. That's dangerous thinking and it's exactly what groups like IS think. Oh dear, own goal.

How does going to a religious school equate to being able to be free to believe what you want? Isn’t that the opposite? 

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2 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

How does going to a religious school equate to being able to be free to believe what you want? Isn’t that the opposite? 

In Albert's case he proposes banning religious schools and has previously spoken about banning religion altogether - in the case of banning religion altogether he's talking about about removing people's freedom to express their beliefs, something that IS  subscribe to and various totalitarian states, dictators and fascist leaders down the ages also subscribe to.

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3 minutes ago, Halibut said:

In Albert's case he proposes banning religious schools and has previously spoken about banning religion altogether - in the case of banning religion altogether he's talking about about removing people's freedom to express their beliefs, something that IS  subscribe to and various totalitarian states, dictators and fascist leaders down the ages also subscribe to.

I don’t have a problem with banning religious schools. 

 

There is an obvious problem in banning religion for the reasons you’ve outlined, it’s not possible to ban thought anyway. There is a difference between wanting something banned and wanting something to no longer exist though.

 

If Albert has advocated banning religion, then I would disagree with them. 

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