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2 hours ago, danot said:

That's not a solution though. It's persecution if anything. Personally, I don't want any self confessed members of Isis in this country so I appreciate how frustrated you are but the persecution of her closest family members is definitely not the solution. 

 

she'll more than likeky be invited back to Britain, given psycho evaluations, seen as a victim of grooming, given counciling, repatriated under a new identify before fulfilling her destiny.  

 

Hey-oh...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This cannot be allowed to happen . 

2 hours ago, danot said:

That's not a solution though. It's persecution if anything. Personally, I don't want any self confessed members of Isis in this country so I appreciate how frustrated you are but the persecution of her closest family members is definitely not the solution. 

 

she'll more than likeky be invited back to Britain, given psycho evaluations, seen as a victim of grooming, given counciling, repatriated under a new identify before fulfilling her destiny.  

 

Hey-oh...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This cannot be allowed to happen . 

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Im sure with all the media, she will be brought home and housed at our expense, how many of you have walked past homeless people without a thought, do they not deserve the same consideration.

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Just watched some more of the Sky interview with her. In her own words, the only people she is apologising to is her immediate family, no one else. 

 

She also stated that the executions of UK aid workers Alan Henning & David Haines, amongst others who were beheaded, were justified in Islam. 

 

Three questions that I'd like to know the answers too?

1. Who is the child's father? Begum might have been an 'innocent' teenager when she left the UK but she she clearly wasn't when she gave birth for the third time. 

2. Who's the child's father & is he still alive? 

3. What do you tell the child when he asks about his father in the future? With such a high profile story, you can hardly lie to him about the circumstances under which he was conceived. 

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Are we now turning our backs on the girls in Rotherham and Rochdale and elsewhere who were groomed, on the basis that they "knew what they were getting into"? Some of them were 15 when they decided to go off with the men. 

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2 hours ago, Baron99 said:

 

2. Who's the child's father & is he still alive? 

He's a Dutch national who converted to Islam and joined ISIS, he has apparently surrended to Syrian fighters. 

Nobody is sure if he's still alive. 

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58 minutes ago, Bob Arctor said:

Are we now turning our backs on the girls in Rotherham and Rochdale and elsewhere who were groomed, on the basis that they "knew what they were getting into"? Some of them were 15 when they decided to go off with the men. 

What a crap comment ,these lasses were raped by sub humans who should be locked up and the key thrown away .

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the grooming gang victims were drugged givin booze and were subjected to violence and threats to themselfs and there familys ,no ention of any of these things happening to her.like albert smith said crap comment .

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1 hour ago, Bob Arctor said:

Are we now turning our backs on the girls in Rotherham and Rochdale and elsewhere who were groomed, on the basis that they "knew what they were getting into"? Some of them were 15 when they decided to go off with the men. 

They were coerced into a life they couldn't escape from. Hardly the same as turning your back on your country, on whats proper and right, joining a death cult of your own free will, then begging your country to take you back because you've become personally inconvenienced by the situation you put yourself in.  She chose to become one of those savages and in my eyes she'll alwsys remain one. 

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16 minutes ago, danot said:

They were coerced into a life they couldn't escape from. Hardly the same as turning your back on your country, on whats proper and right, joining a death cult of your own free will, then begging your country to take you back because you've become personally inconvenienced by the situation you put yourself in.  She chose to become one of those savages and in my eyes she'll alwsys remain one. 

When Shamima Begum left  the  UK with her friends,  the media was full of how they had been groomed.  The only differences that I can  see from what happened in Rochdale and Rotherham  are the purposes for which they were groomed and the fact that the victims in one instance are Muslims and in the other they are not.  The process was the same.

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48 minutes ago, scrapper said:

the grooming gang victims were drugged givin booze and were subjected to violence and threats to themselfs and there familys ,no ention of any of these things happening to her.like albert smith said crap comment .

Yes, all of those things were done to them, which is why people are rightly outraged. They weren't abducted by their abusers though, they went with them. Why? Because they were groomed. Their abusers cynically showered them with attention, gifts, affection. Because they knew that would get them where they wanted them. Daesh recruiters do the same, and they also target children.

 

We either decide that children can be manipulated into doing things by adults or we decide that they make their own choices. We can't pick and choose depending on how we feel about the child in question.

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in what way was she groomed,the only thing she mentions is watching videos ,hardley the same is it.

 

 

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And her lawyer is comparing her to a WW1 veteran, God knows what planet he is on but should be taken before the body that is in control of lawyers and charged with bringing them into disrepute. He is saying she was traumatised and comparing her to victims who were in the middle of shell shots in WW1, what an insult to veterans that fought for this country as opposed to her, who went and sided against us.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/shamima-begum-lawyer-compares-first-14013785

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