Shamima Begum

[katekate 15]

What a shame he misses his mum, so do the girls that lost their mum in Manchester.  At least his mum is still alive.

Edited February 23, 2019 by katekate

[danot 10]

1 hour ago, willman said:

As far as i'm concerned (and i don't give two hoots about anyone elses opinion on it)ISIS is  a terrorist organisation not a country trying for world domination and subjugation.

Similar if i remember to the IRA  and even Nelson Mandella - now just remind me what the current state of affairs is with views on Nelson Mandella and that of the Sinn Fein commanders who almost certainly were complicit if not the driving force behind terrorist mail bombs and anthrax  letters on UK mainland. They're accepted into society and did far more than she has done.

 

Maybe  piece keeping agreements/deals featured somehow in securing their free movement as well as bringing conflict to an end?  Although, I cant imagine the heads of Isis (no pun intended) sitting down with heads of state (again, no pun intended) to begin similiar peace talks.

Edited February 23, 2019 by danot

[carosio 186]

1 hour ago, willman said:

As far as i'm concerned (and i don't give two hoots about anyone elses opinion on it) ISIS is  a terrorist organisation not a country trying for world domination and subjugation.

 

 

Using terrorism to further their ultimate aim which is to build a caliphate and rule the world.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

2 hours ago, willman said:

As far as i'm concerned (and i don't give two hoots about anyone elses opinion on it)ISIS is  a terrorist organisation not a country trying for world domination and subjugation.

Similar if i remember to the IRA  and even Nelson Mandella - now just remind me what the current state of affairs is with views on Nelson Mandella and that of the Sinn Fein commanders who almost certainly were complicit if not the driving force behind terrorist mail bombs and anthrax  letters on UK mainland. They're accepted into society and did far more than she has done.

 

Are you seriously trying to compare the IRA and ANC to ISIS? 😱

[tinfoilhat 11]

8 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Are you seriously trying to compare the IRA and ANC to ISIS? 😱

IRa certainly are - the objectives are different but the methods are broadly the same. Unless of course you think the victims of the Birmingham pub bombings were a legitimate military target. What’s the difference between the Birmingham bombing and the Manchester bombing by some isis nutjobs?

[Halibut 12]

1 hour ago, danot said: Although, I cant imagine the heads of Isis (no pun intended) sitting down with heads of state (again, no pun intended) to begin similiar peace talks.

You would very likely have said the same thing 25 years ago about the IRA.

[Halibut 12]

3 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

Is an assault less worse or the same as a racist assault?

Depends in what way you mean worse.    Let's assume identical injuries from the assault -  a bloody nose and a black eye for the sake of argument.

 

Case a) The victim repeatedly harassed the perpetrators girlfriend, made lewd remarks and then called her a frigid slag when she told him where to get off. The perpetrator, having warned him several times to back off without result, loses his cool and punches him several times in the face.

 

Case b) The victim was walking down the street, minding his own business when the perpetrator approaches him, tells him to eff off back to where he came from and punches him several times in the face.

 

The injuries are identical, but I'd call case b) the worst assault because it's entirely without provocation.

 

What do you reckon?

[Halibut 12]

4 hours ago, danot said:

Hasn't  the dye been cast?  She turned against Britain in spite of her British roots.  Isis propaganda brought to her attention the hypocrisy of none Islamic nations. Radicalisation is in direct correlation with an inherent flaw within western societies and the double standards of western leaders, which you yourself raised issues with yesterday.  What's the solution? Perhaps there isn't one.  Perhaps the hypocrisy of western leaders is preventing a solution.

 

With regard to Shamima Begrum and the like- The path she chose cant take her any further which is why she wants to come back, "home",  laying the responsibility of containing any potential threat she may pose at Britain's door, so, yeah, she'll return to face justice or whatever form of punishment awaits her.  I'm afraid I have no sympathy or compassion for any of these people. Harsh, but there you have it.  

 

 

We do know some things about people who are most likely to become radicalised;  they tend to be or have 

• Struggling with a sense of identity
• Becoming distanced from their cultural or religious background
• Questioning their place in society
• Family issues
• Experiencing a traumatic event
• Experiencing racism or discrimination
• Difficulty in interacting socially and lacking empathy
• Difficulty in understanding the consequences of their actions
• Low self-esteem

              Good education, specialist interventions, social skills training, a good job and a feeling of being part of society rather than outside it can all mitigate against it.

Edited February 23, 2019 by Halibut

[ricgem2002 11]

looks like the muslim community from where she came dont want her either https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1091298/shamima-begum-isis-bride-british-citizenship-sajid-javid-bethnal-green

[Jomie 30]

Re #553: Sometimes it’s none of these reasons - 

What do we get wrong about female terrorists?

It is quite depressing but researchers point out that women can be just as dangerous as men and that the reasons for radicalisation are not as clear cut as that list suggests. As is the case with Ms Begum, they may be the only one in their family who goes off the rails. 

 

Edited February 23, 2019 by Jomie

[Top Cats Hat 10]

1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said:

What’s the difference between the Birmingham bombing and the Manchester bombing by some isis nutjobs?

A very significant one.

 

A coded warning was sent by the IRA to the Birminham Evening Mail in advance of the explosion in an attempt to prevent loss of life. I am not aware of ISIS giving any advance warning before the Manchester Arena bomb or indeed any of their acts.

 

The intention in Birmingham was to cause maximum disruption to the city centre. The intention in Manchester was to kill as many people as possible.

[tinfoilhat 11]

50 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

A very significant one.

 

A coded warning was sent by the IRA to the Birminham Evening Mail in advance of the explosion in an attempt to prevent loss of life. I am not aware of ISIS giving any advance warning before the Manchester Arena bomb or indeed any of their acts.

 

The intention in Birmingham was to cause maximum disruption to the city centre. The intention in Manchester was to kill as many people as possible.

Not entirely successful was it. Why don't you contact some of the families of the people the ira murdered because they were colluding with the British. Maybe talk to the families of the missing and explain how they weren't like ISIS and the murder and disappearance of their families were just accidents.

 

Don't get me wrong, things have changed massively since the 70s but the ira weren't a million miles apart from ISIS.