Shamima Begum

[willman 10]

1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

A very significant one.

 

A coded warning was sent by the IRA to the Birminham Evening Mail in advance of the explosion in an attempt to prevent loss of life. I am not aware of ISIS giving any advance warning before the Manchester Arena bomb or indeed any of their acts.

 

The intention in Birmingham was to cause maximum disruption to the city centre. The intention in Manchester was to kill as many people as possible.

The IRA gave few warnings about postal bombs and anthrax including those sent via the Royal Mail including in  Sheffield-my family lived and worked through it - they're abhorrent terrorists and they're all as bad as one another. If you can make friends with Gerry Adams a pregnant girl should be no problem for a coutry. The IRA gave almost no warnings in Ireland itself . The ANC helped eradicate apartheid and replace it with white people being shot by blacks. 

[danot 10]

1 hour ago, Halibut said:

We do know some things about people who are most likely to become radicalised;  they tend to be or have 

• Struggling with a sense of identity
• Becoming distanced from their cultural or religious background
• Questioning their place in society
• Family issues
• Experiencing a traumatic event
• Experiencing racism or discrimination
• Difficulty in interacting socially and lacking empathy
• Difficulty in understanding the consequences of their actions
• Low self-esteem

              Good education, specialist interventions, social skills training, a good job and a feeling of being part of society rather than outside it can all mitigate against it.

Righto. Bare with me while I go look for a list for football hooligans and drug gangs.

[willman 10]

2 hours ago, Halibut said:

We do know some things about people who are most likely to become radicalised;  they tend to be or have 

• Struggling with a sense of identity
• Becoming distanced from their cultural or religious background
• Questioning their place in society
• Family issues
• Experiencing a traumatic event
• Experiencing racism or discrimination
• Difficulty in interacting socially and lacking empathy
• Difficulty in understanding the consequences of their actions
• Low self-esteem

              Good education, specialist interventions, social skills training, a good job and a feeling of being part of society rather than outside it can all mitigate against it.

That sounds like quite a few pupils at my daughters school - all fervent supports of the EDL and NF.

[danot 10]

1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

A very significant one.

 

A coded warning was sent by the IRA to the Birminham Evening Mail in advance of the explosion in an attempt to prevent loss of life. I am not aware of ISIS giving any advance warning before the Manchester Arena bomb or indeed any of their acts.

 

The intention in Birmingham was to cause maximum disruption to the city centre. The intention in Manchester was to kill as many people as possible.

The loss to life ratio isn't that different though. 

 

Birmingham: 21 fatalities, 182 injured.

 

Manchester Arena: 22 fatalities, 800+ injured.

 

If my source of info is accurate, the coded warning was of little consolation judging by these figures.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jomie 30]

Shamima Begum remarked that ‘they’ said that she would be looked after her and that she could have her own family. It seems a strange reason to join ISIS because she might have had the same situation in the UK. Her family could have found her a good husband in a culturally appropriate arranged marriage.  If there was any of those aforementioned reasons for those girls to go off to Syria they don’t seem to have been reported on. In fact it was the opposite because her teachers said that they were bright girls. Sometimes we just can’t pass the buck onto society. Women tend to have more influence over their children and this is why something needs to be done about these refugee camps. Those youngsters could be at great risk of becoming terrorists.

Edited February 23, 2019 by Jomie

[Penistone999 10]

2 hours ago, ricgem2002 said:

looks like the muslim community from where she came dont want her either https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1091298/shamima-begum-isis-bride-british-citizenship-sajid-javid-bethnal-green

Neither should they .Leave her to rot in Syria 

[danot 10]

36 minutes ago, Jomie said:

Shamima Begum remarked that ‘they’ said that she would be looked after her and that she could have her own family. It seems a strange reason to join ISIS because she might have had the same situation in the UK. Her family could have found her a good husband in a culturally appropriate arranged marriage.  If there was any of those aforementioned reasons for those girls to go off to Syria they don’t seem to have been reported on. In fact it was the opposite because her teachers said that they were bright girls. Sometimes we just can’t pass the buck onto society. Women tend to have more influence over their children and this is why something needs to be done about these refugee camps. Those youngsters could be at great risk of becoming terrorists.

She is a terrorist....  Is it me?

 

If this woman had voluntarily joined a paedophile ring aged 15, married a paedophile and encouraged him to record himself raping, torturing and murdering little children, she'd be just as depraved as him.  No argument. It matters not whether she's the wife of a paedophile or the  wife of an Isis terrorist, she's just as guilty as her husband. 

 

Jomie. Apologies. just reread last sentence. i.e. "Those youngsters run the risk of becoming terrorists"  My bad.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 23, 2019 by danot

[Top Cats Hat 10]

37 minutes ago, danot said:

The loss to life ratio isn't that different though. 

 

Birmingham: 21 fatalities, 182 injured.

 

Manchester Arena: 22 fatalities, 800+ injured.

 

If my source of info is accurate, the coded warning was of little consolation judging by these figures.  

With respect, that is not the point.

 

The IRA did not intend to kill anyone in Birmingham. ISIS intended to kill as many people as possible in Manchester.

 

Whether you like it or not that is a very important difference.

 

 

[willman 10]

14 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

With respect, that is not the point.

 

The IRA did not intend to kill anyone in Birmingham. ISIS intended to kill as many people as possible in Manchester.

 

Whether you like it or not that is a very important difference.

 

 

What about all the other IRA atrocities - did they not mean to kneecap people or disappear people or blow Brighton hotels up with the single minded intention of killing people ?

Edited February 23, 2019 by willman

[danot 10]

4 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

With respect, that is not the point.

 

The IRA did not intend to kill anyone in Birmingham. ISIS intended to kill as many people as possible in Manchester.

 

Whether you like it or not that is a very important difference.

 

 

The IRA knowingly detonated a bomb in a public place, killing 21 civilians and injuring 800+, and you're passing it off as an unfortunate, miscalculated accident?  Couldn't they have caused disruption by targeting nearby premises that were empty?    

[tinfoilhat 11]

Just now, willman said:

What about all the other IRA atrocities - did they not mean to kneecap people or disappear people or blow Brighton hotels up?

All accidental. Same way as they accidentally murdered civilians who worked for the British military or the RUC. Could happen to anyone.

[Vaati 11]

Back on topic.