Shamima Begum

[Lockdoctor 10]

5 hours ago, danot said:

I cant believe she's still granted the benefits of having British citizenship. She's openly admitted she has no regrets about joining the Isis death cult which clearly proves she still considers herself a member of it, which must mean she still identities with its warped ideology. 

Whose fault will it be when her kid's backpack blows up in school? 

I don't doubt she'll be allowed back in Britain, after all, she's only committed treason.  Now if it were fraud or tax evasion our government would have no sympathy for her. 🤬😡

We don't know who was in earshot when she gave the interview.  Do you think once she had entered Syria she had the option of changing her mind and returning home?  The facts are she and the other two girls were groomed when they were only 15 years of age, which mostly likely started  when they were  younger.    If a 15 year old girl is groomed and doesn't leave the UK then there would be outrage against the people who have done the grooming  rather than the victim.   The law is,  that  she is still a British citizen and she should be allowed to return to the UK and face British justice.  

[danot 10]

10 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

We don't know who was in earshot when she gave the interview.  Do you think once she had entered Syria she had the option of changing her mind and returning home?  The facts are she and the other two girls were groomed when they were only 15 years of age, which mostly likely started  when they were  younger.    If a 15 year old girl is groomed and doesn't leave the UK then there would be outrage against the people who have done the grooming  rather than the victim.   The law is,  that  she is still a British citizen and she should be allowed to return to the UK and face British justice.  

They weren't groomed, they were radicalized, along with countless adults. 

 

Let's not liken these lunatics to victims of grooming.

Edited February 16, 2019 by danot

[Lockdoctor 10]

1 minute ago, danot said:

They weren't groomed, they were radicalized, along with countless adults. 

 

Let's not liken these lunatics with victims of grooming.

Of course they were victims of grooming and they weren't adults when they fell victim to the people doing the grooming.  Lets also remember the British authorities knew the girls had been groomed and gave the girls letters to take to their parents. rather than contacting the parents directly.

[despritdan 241]

These girls weren't groomed, they actively sought out information about going to fight for ISIS online. As for being innocent children, they were grown up enough to make their way from London to Syria independently, knowing exactly what they were doing. This girl's father is on a photograph with the 2 savages who killed Lee Rigby and Anjem Choudary who was burning poppies one Remembrance Day, so if she has been groomed, it will have been by him. Letting her back here would be potentially serving a death sentence on innocent people as she'll probably end up going online to find herself a jihadi boyfriend so she can 'live quietly' breeding her own little terrorist cell.

[Albert smith 11]

2 minutes ago, despritdan said:

These girls weren't groomed, they actively sought out information about going to fight for ISIS online. As for being innocent children, they were grown up enough to make their way from London to Syria independently, knowing exactly what they were doing. This girl's father is on a photograph with the 2 savages who killed Lee Rigby and Anjem Choudary who was burning poppies one Remembrance Day, so if she has been groomed, it will have been by him. Letting her back here would be potentially serving a death sentence on innocent people as she'll probably end up going online to find herself a jihadi boyfriend so she can 'live quietly' breeding her own little terrorist cell.

That post puts a whole new outlook to this thread .If her father was associated with those people who hate this Country yet still choose to live here then yes leave her where she is ,but send the loving dad  join her.

[Jomie 30]

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Quote despritdan: 

 

This girl's father is on a photograph with the 2 savages who killed Lee Rigby and Anjem Choudary who was burning poppies oneRemembrance Day, so if she has been groomed, it will have been by him. Letting her back here would be potentially serving a death sentence on innocent people as she'll probably end up going online to find herself a jihadi boyfriend so she can 'live quietly' breeding her own little terrorist cell.

 

If you are referring to this incident,  it was Amira Abase’s father, not Shamima Begum’s.

If not, do you have a link? 

 

People are so affronted by this one woman that they are not looking at the bigger picture. Syrian Kurds are demanding that countries takes back their citizens  - link.  They simply cannot cope with all these women and children. Some countries are said to be repatriating the children and France is about to begin.  Conditions in the camp are described here. 

 

The Times journalist who interviewed her formed the opinion that she has been ‘brainwashed’ - link.  That seemed apparent in the parts of their conversation that were released to the press.  Both of her children have died due to preventable causes and it is more than likely that her mental state will be unbalanced. 

 

It is doubtful that Shamima Begum can ever live a ‘quiet life’ if/when she returns to the UK. It is quite possible that her child will be taken into care, in which case it will at least be safe and won’t be radicalised.  It is simply wrong to punish the baby for it’s mother’s choices.

 

Edited February 16, 2019 by Jomie

[Penistone999 10]

7 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

I know this will no doubt enrage a few who want to kill teenage girls, but this is what everyone else is doing.

 

Shamima Begum: How do countries deal with people returning from IS? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-47252164

Would this be the same teenage girl who wants to kill innocent Westerners ?

[JFKvsNixon 11]

I find it fascinating that people hold completely different views of grooming, when the victim of it belongs to an outgroup.  

 

I'm not for one minute suggesting that the girl in question shouldn't face up to the consequences of her actions, but she should face those consequences in this country under the protection of our laws. 

[Albert smith 11]

3 hours ago, Jomie said:

If you are referring to this incident,  it was Amira Abase’s father, not Shamima Begum’s.

If not, do you have a link? 

 

People are so affronted by this one woman that they are not looking at the bigger picture. Syrian Kurds are demanding that countries takes back their citizens  - link.  They simply cannot cope with all these women and children. Some countries are said to be repatriating the children and France is about to begin.  Conditions in the camp are described here. 

 

The Times journalist who interviewed her formed the opinion that she has been ‘brainwashed’ - link.  That seemed apparent in the parts of their conversation that were released to the press.  Both of her children have died due to preventable causes and it is more than likely that her mental state will be unbalanced. 

 

It is doubtful that Shamima Begum can ever live a ‘quiet life’ if/when she returns to the UK. It is quite possible that her child will be taken into care, in which case it will at least be safe and won’t be radicalised.  It is simply wrong to punish the baby for it’s mother’s choices.

 

The baby's father is Dutch maybe they will help .

[Halibut 12]

9 hours ago, JFKvsNixon said:

I find it fascinating that people hold completely different views of grooming, when the victim of it belongs to an outgroup.  

 

I'm not for one minute suggesting that the girl in question shouldn't face up to the consequences of her actions, but she should face those consequences in this country under the protection of our laws. 

Best post of the thread so far.

[Jomie 30]

Quote Albert Smith: The baby's father is Dutch maybe they will help .

It doesn't help and is irrelevant - the discussion is not about the baby's Dutch father. Despritdan was commenting about Shamima Begum's father. Nothing at all to do with the infant's paternal family.  

 

JFKvNixon is right about grooming of young girls.  Men are the powerful and stronger sex.  Women have been used, oppressed and manipulated by them for centuries. You see this in domestic abuse situations when men convince women that it is their own fault they are beaten and bruised.  Young girls in particular are vulnerable to such men, as we have seen with the Asian grooming gangs.  These women were groomed so they would provide 'home comforts' for the men in order to keep them in the battlefield. Also to provide the next generation of fighters.  

[danot 10]

7 minutes ago, Jomie said:

 

 

It doesn't help and is irrelevant - the discussion is not about the baby's Dutch father. Despritdan was commenting about Shamima Begum's father. Nothing at all to do with the infant's paternal family.  

 

JFKvNixon is right about grooming of young girls.  Men are the powerful and stronger sex.  Women have been used, oppressed and manipulated by them for centuries. You see this in domestic abuse situations when men convince women that it is their own fault they are beaten and bruised.  Young girls in particular are vulnerable to such men, as we have seen with the Asian grooming gangs.  These women were groomed so they would provide 'home comforts' for the men in order to keep them in the battlefield. Also to provide the next generation of fighters.  

Who should be held accountable then? The girls groomer, or maybe the groomer who groomed the girls groomer, or the groomer who groomed the groomer of the girls groomer perhaps?