Bochum Parkway speed limit

[WiseOwl182 10]

1 hour ago, Planner1 said:

With what money?

Diverted from money that currently gets spent on anti car measures.

1 hour ago, Annie Bynnol said:

 

As the argument for increasing the limit to 50 mph (or 70 mph) was soundly  shown to be very expensive and negative to all road users, 

In your opinion. Many others beg to differ.

[Planner1 428]

11 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

Diverted from money that currently gets spent on anti car measures.

 

It isn’t that simple. Money is granted for specific purposes.

[WiseOwl182 10]

1 hour ago, Planner1 said:

It isn’t that simple. Money is granted for specific purposes.

Liverpool managed to scrap their bus lanes. If they can, Sheffield can.

[Annie Bynnol 612]

Did Liverpool scrap all their bus lanes?

[WiseOwl182 10]

5 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

Did Liverpool scrap all their bus lanes?

They scrapped all of them for a 9 month trial, I think they had 27 in total. The trial found that for all but 4 bus lanes, bus journeys were not impacted and car journeys were significantly improved. They also found parking in bus lanes was the main cause of bus delays. They reinstated the 4 bus lanes and left all the rest scrapped.

 

That's called real, progressive thinking, giving a real benefit to people's lives, rather than just towing the left wing agenda to virtue signal.

Edited February 16, 2019 by WiseOwl182

[Annie Bynnol 612]

5 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

They scrapped all of them for a 9 month trial, I think they had 27 in total. The trial found that for all but 4 bus lanes, bus journeys were not impacted and car journeys were significantly improved. They also found parking in bus lanes was the main cause of bus delays. They reinstated the 4 bus lanes and left all the rest scrapped.

That's called real, progressive thinking, giving a real benefit to people's lives, rather than just towing the left wing agenda to virtue signal.

So Liverpool did not "... manage to scrap their bus lanes.", they managed to Liverpool scrap some of their Bus Lanes.

After careful evaluation and taking everything into account, which Sheffield ones would keep?

[DT Ralge 10]

This thread with almost identical beefs and arguments happened on SF in 2009.

Digging back into that thread threw up something that confirmed the why’s and wherefore’s of the 40 limit:

 

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The 40mph speed limit was put in place because of a signal controlled crossing facility halfway along the route for cattle crossing between Grange Farm and fields either side of the new road. The need for the cattle crossing has subsequently been removed, however a proposal by the local Road Safety Team to raise the speed limit was prevented by the need to protect the lighting columns along the route with safety barrier.

 

I.e. since the Council has never found a budget for Armco around the lights, the limit stays at 40. 

 

 

[WiseOwl182 10]

9 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

So Liverpool did not "... manage to scrap their bus lanes.", they managed to Liverpool scrap some of their Bus Lanes.

After careful evaluation and taking everything into account, which Sheffield ones would keep?

"Some"?! Nice way to try to spin it. But no, you're not getting away with that. Liverpool scrapped the vast majority of their bus lanes.

 

In Sheffield, we should do the same. Scrap them all for a 9 month trial and evaluate the results. Reinstate the few that are found to actually be necessary (if any).

 

9 hours ago, DT Ralge said:

 

I.e. since the Council has never found a budget for Armco around the lights, the limit stays at 40. 

 

 

Ie. They don't WANT to find the budget because they're anti-car.

Edited February 17, 2019 by WiseOwl182

[Jack_Russell 11]

Drivers in Sheffield don't use bus lanes when they are entitled to, there is a bus lane from near the Homebase on Chesterfield road all the way down to Heeley bridge that only operates for 4 1/2 hours a day Mon-Fri, outside of these hours no one hardly drives in it.

[WiseOwl182 10]

28 minutes ago, Jack_Russell said:

Drivers in Sheffield don't use bus lanes when they are entitled to, there is a bus lane from near the Homebase on Chesterfield road all the way down to Heeley bridge that only operates for 4 1/2 hours a day Mon-Fri, outside of these hours no one hardly drives in it.

I've noticed this too. It's quite bizarre.

[Cyclone 10]

There are often cars parked in the bus lanes when you're allowed to drive in them, making them a bit pointless.

[DT Ralge 10]

2 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

"Some"?! Nice way to try to spin it. But no, you're not getting away with that. Liverpool scrapped the vast majority of their bus lanes.

 

In Sheffield, we should do the same. Scrap them all for a 9 month trial and evaluate the results. Reinstate the few that are found to actually be necessary (if any).

 

Ie. They don't WANT to find the budget because they're anti-car.

Yes, indeed.   They are anti-car in the sense that they and every other Council are trying to get more of us on foot, on bike and in public transport.  

London leads the way (and others are copying/will copy) with a target of 80% of all private journeys to be (sustainably) on foot, bike or public transport by 2041. 

Nottingham, similarly, nudges behavioural change by charging employers for allowing their employees a parking space at work. 

Etc etc. 

Wake up, it’s not just SCC that are anti-car - that’s just another lazy cliché-ed  beef. 

Edited February 17, 2019 by DT Ralge