Dickensian diseases on the rise

[Lex Luthor 10]

On 03/02/2019 at 10:56, andyofborg said:

avoiding vaccines is easier these days and this is why these diseases are starting to spike. 

 

the question is why people want to avoid them? 

perhaps also, people have forgotten the consequences of some of these infections diseases. at the start of the public immunisation programs two or three generations of parents will have suffered or seen their siblings and friends suffer from these diseases. they will not have wanted their offspring to suffer and will have embraced anything to prevent that. 

 

the relationship between people and the state started to change under thatcher, the effect of cameron and osbourne changed it more dramatically. 

 

Thatcher would have lived through these times and I doubt she would have countenanced undermining the public health system to the extent it has been. The public school boys will never have thought about it when they embalked on "austerity". Thatcher may not be responsible for this but she enabled her successors to do it.

 

Thatcher had a direct hand in the deterioration of child nutrition.  She wasn't named the milk snatcher for nothing. 

[Robin-H 11]

6 hours ago, Lex Luthor said:

Thatcher had a direct hand in the deterioration of child nutrition.  She wasn't named the milk snatcher for nothing. 

Harold Wilson's Labour government stopped free milk for secondary school pupils in 1968 and then in 1971, Lady Thatcher, who was education secretary under Sir Edward Heath, ended free school milk for children over the age of seven, so Labour took away free milk for a lot more pupils than Thatcher (who only affected children 8-11). 

 

Also, it’s worth noting that Thatcher fought against the cuts. Heath wanted free milk stopped for all primary school children (they were needing ways to save money), and Thatcher proposed instead that only children older than 7 wouldn’t get free milk anymore, which Heath accepted. 

[Lex Luthor 10]

8 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

Harold Wilson's Labour government stopped free milk for secondary school pupils in 1968 and then in 1971, Lady Thatcher, who was education secretary under Sir Edward Heath, ended free school milk for children over the age of seven, so Labour took away free milk for a lot more pupils than Thatcher (who only affected children 8-11). 

 

Also, it’s worth noting that Thatcher fought against the cuts. Heath wanted free milk stopped for all primary school children (they were needing ways to save money), and Thatcher proposed instead that only children older than 7 wouldn’t get free milk anymore, which Heath accepted. 

Wow.  Truly a saint. 

 

If you forget that she also sold our country down the Swanee. 

[Robin-H 11]

Just now, Lex Luthor said:

Wow.  Truly a saint. 

 

If you forget that she also sold our country down the Swanee. 

We were talking about milk. 

 

If you want to start an arguement for something else feel free, but I suggest you do it in another thread so the strawman is less obvious. 

[Lex Luthor 10]

1 minute ago, Robin-H said:

We were talking about milk. 

 

If you want to start an arguement for something else feel free, but I suggest you do it in another thread so the strawman is less obvious. 

We're talking nutrition actually.  And Thatcher's policy of selling off the family silver and de-regularisation has come home to roost and is thrusting families in to poverty and has severely limited the opportunities for quality food choices for many. 

[alchresearch 214]

1 hour ago, Lex Luthor said:

We're talking nutrition actually.  And Thatcher's policy of selling off the family silver and de-regularisation has come home to roost and is thrusting families in to poverty and has severely limited the opportunities for quality food choices for many. 

How about Gordon Brown's policy of selling off the country's gold  has come home to roost and is thrusting families in to poverty and has severely limited the opportunities for quality food choices for many.

[Chez2 10]

2 hours ago, Lex Luthor said:

We're talking nutrition actually.  And Thatcher's policy of selling off the family silver and de-regularisation has come home to roost and is thrusting families in to poverty and has severely limited the opportunities for quality food choices for many. 

Generally families are much better off than they were in previous generations. If you are not old enough to have loved through the 1960s have you not seen the TV documentaries about how life has changed for the average working class family over the last one hundred years? I was a child in the generation you are talking about. The generation before me ie people born in the early 1940s  were poverty stricken by todays standards. Often sharing hand me down clothes, shoes; first up best dressed. Patching up the only pair of footwear they had. Having one jacket or coat, sometimes just their school blazer. Several kids sharing one bed, kids having different meals to their father etc etc.  Some of my friends didn't have kitchens or bathrooms, tin bath filled from the stove. No central heating, ice on the inside of house windows. This was common place. The working class were far better off from the 1970s onwards. Peoples expectations of what it is to be poor have changed.

[the_bloke 17]

Romania recently had a measles epidemic with children and adults dying because they hadn't been vaccinated. Can we pin this on Thatcher too please?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/20/low-mmr-uptake-blamed-for-surge-in-measles-cases-across-europe