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Some people already live on fargate.

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The walking route from train bus station to moor needs to be improved, more welcoming, decorated. They don't feel connected like they did with with fargate.

 

It's a shame there is no decent tram connection.  Bus routes are very complicated for visitors. 

 

New plans should not be made on basis of more cars coming to the city.

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1 hour ago, ECCOnoob said:

I would agree.

 

This is what city centres are about now mixed use.   People living, working, leisure activities and some retail all in one place.  

 

We need to move away from just turning the city centre into some glorified shopping mall.  This is what so many people obsess over and it's wrong. 

 

People forget there are other things that happen in a city.  Its the same argument that people try and use when they bang on about the city should be offering free parking everywhere just like meadowhall.  Its stupid.  They have simply no idea that there are other people coming here every day who are nothing to do with shopping.  Such free spaces will be snapped up before shoppers even got out of bed. 

This^^.

 

Every free space would be gone by 8am.

 

Occasionally have a coffee in m and s on Fargate, and sit at the windows thinking what happens on the upper floors of the buildings opposite. One or two appear to be store rooms, the rest seem unused.

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Really!  How can the city centre thrive when you have Crystal Peaks, Meadowhell and all the massive Supermarkets on the outskirts with  free parking its car freindly unlike the city centre.  Here is the big clue to the Cities demise. THE MAJORITY OF SHEFFIELDERS LIVE ON THE OUTSKIRTS. :roll:

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42 minutes ago, PRESLEY said:

Really!  How can the city centre thrive when you have Crystal Peaks, Meadowhell and all the massive Supermarkets on the outskirts with  free parking its car freindly unlike the city centre.  Here is the big clue to the Cities demise. THE MAJORITY OF SHEFFIELDERS LIVE ON THE OUTSKIRTS. :roll:

Strangely enough, the majority of the population in most cities lives outside the city centre. Sheffield is no different to anywhere else in this respect.

 

Name a major city anywhere in the world where the local authorities provide free parking for visitors.

 

There is ample parking in Sheffield city centre and it's significantly cheaper than most similar cities.  Parking is not the problem.

 

The attractiveness of a city depends very much on it's "offer" ie how attractive the work, leisure, cultural and retail experience is.

 

There's an increasing level of population in the city centre and the plans are for it to continue to grow. Having more jobs and homes in the city centre is the way it can prosper.

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3 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Well it's about time they put a stop to it then.   Cole Brothers has had nothing to do with two brothers called 'Cole' since 1927.  

 

 

John Lewis died in 1928. What point did you think you had?

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38 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Strangely enough, the majority of the population in most cities lives outside the city centre. Sheffield is no different to anywhere else in this respect.

 

Name a major city anywhere in the world where the local authorities provide free parking for visitors.

 

There is ample parking in Sheffield city centre and it's significantly cheaper than most similar cities.  Parking is not the problem.

 

The attractiveness of a city depends very much on it's "offer" ie how attractive the work, leisure, cultural and retail experience is.

 

There's an increasing level of population in the city centre and the plans are for it to continue to grow. Having more jobs and homes in the city centre is the way it can prosper.

Current global environmental directives are to reduce car movements in cities, not to make it harder to use public transport! 

There are several brands, shops that are not represented in Sheffield. Its attractiveness is at the edge at the point it is sometimes better to go somewhere else instead.

More homes for people to live in the city is great, lots of people waiting on the streets already. Don't know about the jobs, don't think the majority of these new jobs created these days are prosperitive ones.

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Superdrug in Hillsborough are closing down today

 Notice in window says nearest Superdrug  is Pinstone st

 

 

 Also the shoe shop( Shoe Zone),   in the Arcade has notices in the windows 

 saying they are closing.  No details of when.  Maybe something to do with the proposed new building

 

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6 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

That’s basically the plan. A more compact retail area flowing from fargate through the developments around Pinstone st, John Lewis and then down to the Moor. Should link Devonshire Street more cleanly to the moor area too. Castle area can be given over housing, offices.

 

The key to connecting it all for everyone is a regular free hop-on hop-off bus around the city centre. Like the Eager Beavers or bendi bus we used to have

Manchester has  good free bus services around the city centre taking several routes. 

 

 Much has been talked about here regarding connection, or lack of,  to the tram,  but it should be borne in mind that pretty much all the west side of the city isn't served  by the tram, including the Hallamshire and Weston Park Hospitals. 

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2 hours ago, Heyesey said:

 

John Lewis died in 1928. What point did you think you had?

I would have thought it was obvious.  

 

The business of the John Lewis Partnership is alive and well.   Very much unlike "Cole Brothers" which was nothing more than a branch trading name from the 1940s onwards and disappeared altogether way back in early 2000s.

 

As I said earlier, the fact that coming up 20 years later we have people still insisting on using that name for the store is just rediculous.   A prime example of the stubborn "dont like change" mentality which thwarts development and regeneration round here.

 

 

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A name is just a name. Call it anything you want it will be same place even if you call it something else.

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3 hours ago, PRESLEY said:

Really!  How can the city centre thrive when you have Crystal Peaks, Meadowhell and all the massive Supermarkets on the outskirts with  free parking its car freindly unlike the city centre.  

It *can* thrive if it embraces the things that make it different.

 

theatres, public spaces, independent shops, people working and living nearby/same street/same building,  centre of the transport network, history, character, etc.

 

City centres need to become a destination in their own right : tourism basically, somewhere you'd recommend to a friend for a weekend away.

 

example : Delft, I thoroughly recommend a long weekend in Delft. It's a lovely place - does it have free parking? I don't know and I don't care.

 

example : Richmond, North Yorkshire. I thoroughly recommend a long weekend in Richmond, there's a great market, and a lovely theatre. But does it have free parking? I don't know and I don't care.

 

Freiburg (Germany) :  etc. It's a great place. 

 

etc.

 

Sheffield? can and should present itself as a unique, entertaining  destination. That's how city centres will survive. Not with free parking and a Woolworths.

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