Machete Attack McDonald's Sheffield

[Cyclone 10]

Are you confused or drunk?  He attacked people with a machete.  Quite different to begging really.  Where he lives isn't really important is it.

 

You are trying to make out that "groups that cause problems" being in this case "people begging" and "people attacking others with a machete" are somehow equivalent.  Perhaps it's only "your opinion" though, which you think justifies any nonsense you come out with.

[bendix 10]

Arguing that migrants who commit crimes should be deported is pretty much as racist as you can get.  Like it or not, if a migrant is here legally (and there is nothing to suggest this guy isn't), then he or she should be subject to exactly the same laws and punishments as anyone else who is here legally.  That is what 'being here legally' means.   You can't pick and choose.

 

 

 

 

 

[Branyy 10]

19 minutes ago, bendix said:

Arguing that migrants who commit crimes should be deported is pretty much as racist as you can get.  Like it or not, if a migrant is here legally (and there is nothing to suggest this guy isn't), then he or she should be subject to exactly the same laws and punishments as anyone else who is here legally.  That is what 'being here legally' means.   You can't pick and choose.

1. It has nothing to do with race whatsoever.

2. Once you are an immigrant (legal) you're supposed to follow immigration rules. Criminal conviction is actually a valid reason for deportation of an immigrant.

[tinfoilhat 11]

11 minutes ago, bendix said:

Arguing that migrants who commit crimes should be deported is pretty much as racist as you can get.  Like it or not, if a migrant is here legally (and there is nothing to suggest this guy isn't), then he or she should be subject to exactly the same laws and punishments as anyone else who is here legally.  That is what 'being here legally' means.   You can't pick and choose.

 

 

 

 

 

Plenty of people get deported after committing crimes - that happens all over the world. 

[ANGELFIRE1 10]

2 hours ago, Cyclone said:

Fair enough, then yes he should serve his sentence and then be immediately deported on release, or sent home to serve his sentence there if we can do that.

Exactly so. but not the send him home to serve his time bit.

Keep him here until his time is served, use this time to obtain his deportation papers, then on his release day, straight from jail to airport and wave the idiot ta ra. Job done, law complied with.

 

Edited February 4, 2019 by ANGELFIRE1

[melthebell 862]

26 minutes ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

Exactly so. but not the send him home to serve his time bit.

Keep him here until his time is served, use this time to obtain his deportation papers, then on his release day, straight from jail to airport and wave the idiot ta ra. Job done, law complied with.

 

youve turned yer tune you used to be a loud voice in the why pay all that money to keep him in jail here...send them home to serve their time camp

[bendix 10]

53 minutes ago, Branyy said:

 

2. Once you are an immigrant (legal) you're supposed to follow immigration rules. Criminal conviction is actually a valid reason for deportation of an immigrant.

In some instances, yes.  But it's not automatic, and nor should it be.  The kneejerk reaction here seems to be that it should be.

 

Furthermore, legal immigrants are exempt from deportation if they have lived in the UK for five years before the time of the offence.

 

 

49 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Plenty of people get deported after committing crimes - that happens all over the world. 

That doesn't make it right.  If a personal has won or earned the legal right to live in a country (as a migrant, PR, citizen or whatever) then it is only reasonable that they should be ruled by the same laws as anyone else in that country.  Having 'special laws' or different punishments for legal migrants is, by definition, discriminatory.   

[tinfoilhat 11]

1 hour ago, bendix said:

In some instances, yes.  But it's not automatic, and nor should it be.  The kneejerk reaction here seems to be that it should be.

 

Furthermore, legal immigrants are exempt from deportation if they have lived in the UK for five years before the time of the offence.

 

 

That doesn't make it right.  If a personal has won or earned the legal right to live in a country (as a migrant, PR, citizen or whatever) then it is only reasonable that they should be ruled by the same laws as anyone else in that country.  Having 'special laws' or different punishments for legal migrants is, by definition, discriminatory.   

But they were allowed in, I’d have thought anyway, on the basis they aren’t criminals. Now if we are giving visas out, particular long term, then surely part of the deal is that you won’t try and hack your fellow citizens into pieces with a machete. I’m slightly surprised that’s not in the small print.

[bendix 10]

If you take that to it’s logical conclusion you could get to the point where you are anticipating future behaviour. He is either here legally or he isn’t. If he is here legally then he should face the same penalties everyone else does and not have deportation as an extra condition.  You can’t treat people in different ways simply because he was born in a different country. 

 

He was let in based on on the fact he wasn’t a criminal.  As such he should be treated the same as anyone else. 

Edited February 4, 2019 by bendix

[tinfoilhat 11]

32 minutes ago, bendix said:

If you take that to it’s logical conclusion you could get to the point where you are anticipating future behaviour. He is either here legally or he isn’t. If he is here legally then he should face the same penalties everyone else does and not have deportation as an extra condition.  You can’t treat people in different ways simply because he was born in a different country. 

 

He was let in based on on the fact he wasn’t a criminal.  As such he should be treated the same as anyone else. 

Or he wasnt caught in his (or her) previous country.  We’ve got plenty of born and bred rubbish going in and out of prison already. If we make it a condition - restrict it to violent crimes if you want - that certain criminal activity results in deportation that really shouldn’t be an issue should it?  I find it odd that we find ourselves in a position where we have created a structure where foreign criminals can stay but we are creating an environment where law abiding, hard working immigrants are being kicked out (windrush) or slowly forced out (brexit). One wonders if we took a harder stance on foreign criminals the express et al would have less to shout about and the eu referendum might have looked different.

[Delayed 461]

49 minutes ago, bendix said:

If you take that to it’s logical conclusion you could get to the point where you are anticipating future behaviour. He is either here legally or he isn’t. If he is here legally then he should face the same penalties everyone else does and not have deportation as an extra condition.  You can’t treat people in different ways simply because he was born in a different country. 

 

He was let in based on on the fact he wasn’t a criminal.  As such he should be treated the same as anyone else. 

You can treat people differently because they were born in another country....it's called Immigration Control.

 

He may be here legally but that doesn't automatically mean he is treated like British Citizens.  Assuming he has a valid visa, this would be temporary and would be required to keep his nose clean in order to apply for another visa.  The Home Office could refuse him a visa based on his conduct in the UK (criminality).  

 

Also, I believe that migrants whom are sentenced to at least a 12 month sentence are automatically considered for deportation.

 

Even if this person became a British Citizen, the Home Office still has the power to revoke a British Passport in cases of serious criminality. (Terrorism being the latest example).

 

 

Edited February 4, 2019 by Delayed

[ANGELFIRE1 10]

4 hours ago, melthebell said:

youve turned yer tune you used to be a loud voice in the why pay all that money to keep him in jail here...send them home to serve their time camp

I don't want this idiot getting sent home and released the day after, that's why I say he should do his time here. Simples really.

 

I would like to thank you for taking the time to read, learn and inwardly digest my previous posts, it's good you take notice of someone who has principals.

 

Angel1.