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17 minutes ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

Dominic Grieve on the Politics show 12.15 BBC 1.  Telling all that the Brexiteers made a "mistake". There you have it in a nut shell, the rich and wealthy know better than the surfs. Hopefully those who voted Brexit will be a little disturbed and angry that Grieve and his acolytes  dismiss them as mistake makers.  What a pompous prat he is.

 

I see that the "Right Honorable"  Baron Mandelson of Foy in the county of Herefordshire and Hartlepool in the county of Durham, Lord President of the Council, First Secretary of State, and Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills has been given air time again, waxing lyrically about how wonderful the EU is.  Is this the same Mandelson that had to leave the Government TWICE for been a naughty naughty boy.

 

Angel1.

I listened to the guy who organised the 'People's Vote' meeting at the Victoria's Hall in Sheffield, last Saturday on Radio Sheffield that morning. 

 

It took some prising out by the Radio Sheffield presenter but eventually he admitted that he voted to remain in the EU at the referendum.  Questioned further about those who were due to attend he said he had no idea as to how his audience later that day had voted.  Given that the speakers included Anna Soubury, Vince Cable, (yesterday's man) & Socialist firebrand & class warrior (& another yesterday's man), Lord Hattersley, I think that no Brexit speakers would have managed to get to speak to the 400 remainers or so present who are now being evidence as a shift that Sheffield is now in favour of remaining in the EU. 

 

One thing that did make me laugh & is often directed at those who voted to leave the EU is that they didn't know what they were voting for or had been mislead?

 

The guy organising the meeting last. Saturday said in the run up to the EU referendum he'd listened to all the arguments but felt he was still not fully informed so he voted to remain(?) Hmmm? 

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29 minutes ago, woodview said:

There's some on here would propose:

Remain

Remain in schengen and Euro

Well, we've never been in either of these.

 

Can you now see us being taken back with welcoming arms, given that when Cameron went to the EU seeking better terms with the EU & assurances on chanhed both them & the UK, knowing that the UK were about to be on the verge of a referendum, had a good laugh at him? 

 

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12 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

I listened to the guy who organised the 'People's Vote' meeting at the Victoria's Hall in Sheffield, last Saturday on Radio Sheffield that morning. 

 

It took some prising out by the Radio Sheffield presenter but eventually he admitted that he voted to remain in the EU at the referendum.  Questioned further about those who were due to attend he said he had no idea as to how his audience later that day had voted.  Given that the speakers included Anna Soubury, Vince Cable, (yesterday's man) & Socialist firebrand & class warrior (& another yesterday's man), Lord Hattersley, I think that no Brexit speakers would have managed to get to speak to the 400 remainers or so present who are now being evidence as a shift that Sheffield is now in favour of remaining in the EU. 

 

One thing that did make me laugh & is often directed at those who voted to leave the EU is that they didn't know what they were voting for or had been mislead?

 

The guy organising the meeting last. Saturday said in the run up to the EU referendum he'd listened to all the arguments but felt he was still not fully informed so he voted to remain(?) Hmmm? 

Lord Hattersley had to withdraw from the meeting due to ill health.

The last point you raised is an interesting one, as we were talking about it at work today. The consensus of opinion was that people voted to remain as it felt less risky than to vote leave

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7 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

Well, we've never been in either of these.

 

Can you now see us being taken back with welcoming arms, given that when Cameron went to the EU seeking better terms with the EU & assurances on chanhed both them & the UK, knowing that the UK were about to be on the verge of a referendum, had a good laugh at him? 

 

Err yes, I do know that.......... We'd be welcomed in to either, and lots here would jump at those being the only two choices on a referendum.

By the way, if Cameron had done anything like a decent job, and not come pack with half a packet of crisps as an offering, the referendum would have gone the other way.

6 minutes ago, Mister M said:

 

The last point you raised is an interesting one, as we were talking about it at work today. The consensus of opinion was that people voted to remain as it felt less risky than to vote leave

That would be a natural thing for lots of people to do, especially since the Government was telling us about the emergency budget, redundancies, Ebola etc etc. There is lots of twaddle talked about Remain voters being well-informed, weighing up all the options in a level headed way, in contrast to the thuggish Leavers. However, many voted Remain for the reason you mention, as a status quo, better the devil you know option.

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29 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

Well, we've never been in either of these.

 

Can you now see us being taken back with welcoming arms, given that when Cameron went to the EU seeking better terms with the EU & assurances on chanhed both them & the UK, knowing that the UK were about to be on the verge of a referendum, had a good laugh at him? 

 

We can, I think, trigger article 51 and pretty much be in the same position as we were in 2016. If we crash out (yes, that’s still a valid description) and go cap in hand in a couple years time to rejoin we’ll get schengan, the euro and other crap we don’t want.

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16 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Lord Hattersley had to withdraw from the meeting due to ill health.

The last point you raised is an interesting one, as we were talking about it at work today. The consensus of opinion was that people voted to remain as it felt less risky than to vote leave

 

I'll acknowledge your point about Hattersley bit he wouldn't have been invited to speak against at the meeting, would he? 

 

On the other point. There still Remainers accusations perpetuatimg the myth that everyone who voted to leave are somehow rabid, racist anti-European, gammon-faces, (even I laugh at that one you Left-wing, safe space,  millennium snowflakes). 

 

So those, as you say amongst those at you say at your place of work, 'The consensus of opinion was that people voted to remain as it felt less risky than to vote leave', suggests that they too have not bothered to investigate the full 40 years of history that the UK has had with the EU? 

 

Maybe if they had bothered they might have voted differently.  I'd have voted to leave if Blair had given us the vote he promised: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2004/apr/20/eu.politics6

 

And I'd have voted to leave if Fordon Brown had also kept his promise.: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1558786/Keep-EU-referendum-promise-MPs-tell-Brown.html

 

You see the genie's out of the box now.  Even if we do have a 2nd referendum & somehow we do rejoin the EU, at some stage in the future, a political party is going to offer the electorate another vote to leave. 

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3 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

 

You see the genie's out of the box now.  Even if we do have a 2nd referendum & somehow we do rejoin the EU, at some stage in the future, a political party is going to offer the electorate another vote to leave. 

Only if the country had voted for a PM who had been labotomised. It won't happen again.

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6 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Only if the country had voted for a PM who had been labotomised. It won't happen again.

Why? If we don't leave, and just go back in the EU as it was previously, will the dis-quiet that caused a Leave vote last time just disappear?

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Let's be honest. May is a remainer, fact. We should have had a Brexiteer doing the deals, it's just common sense. We should have told the EU in no uncertain terms what WE wanted from them, and negotiated from that position of strength. May capitulated even before the get go. She has been a dead loss from the first day to this. 

 

Looking towards the Liebour Party to be the Salvation of Brexit, it is akin to finding Lord Lucan and Elvis in the local chippy, no chance.

 

Don't forget these ne'er-do-wells with their Pensions that are around the best in the Country have made a pigs ear of Brexit, which ever side you are on. They would be sacked if they were working (ha ha) for a private company.

 

Angel1.

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When May's deal gets voted down tomorrow, she should get behind a 'No Deal' - then she might get some credibility back.

She would save her party, and the country would get behind her.

 

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9 minutes ago, woodview said:

Why? If we don't leave, and just go back in the EU as it was previously, will the dis-quiet that caused a Leave vote last time just disappear?

Pretty much it would

 

It would go back to being the low ranking issue it always was

 

And then the rest of us can get on with life without worrying about your imaginary EU bogeymen

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28 minutes ago, OPEN BORDERS said:

When May's deal gets voted down tomorrow, she should get behind a 'No Deal' - then she might get some credibility back.

She would save her party, and the country would get behind her.

 

You still think a no deal is possible?  How very naive you are. 

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