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4 minutes ago, L00b said:

Japan, China, the USA (etc) have long and very gradually been converging towards the EU's norms, standards and practices,

I shall repeat what I said earlier.

 

This is a really dumb time to be removing ourselves from the EU!

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6 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

I shall repeat what I said earlier.

 

This is a really dumb time to be removing ourselves from the EU!

There never was a smart time for it: it was always a really dumb idea, period.

 

The UK needed better, more inclusive and honest politics, beside deep electoral reform, years and years and years ago.

 

But well. We are where we are. So that's that.

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28 minutes ago, L00b said:

China and the USA manage to trade with the EU 'just fine', Japan will now trade with the EU 'better than fine', and all because norms, standards and practices of the respective parties converge towards one another; with the strongest parties doing the least converging towards the others and setting the most convergence targets for those others.

 

This is the 'Brussels effect', and it will take you all of 5 minutes' worth of Googling to find out how Japan, China, the USA (etc) have long and very gradually been converging towards the EU's norms, standards and practices, some (Japan, Korea, Canada) faster than others (China, USA), with the respective sizes of economies involved (and political strength of their domestic industries/lobbies) strongly influencing the differential in speed of convergence.

 

That explains for instance why much trade with the US is 'fine' as you say...but then you just try to import chlorinated chicken from the US into the EU ;)

 

Now you were highly influential in setting those EU norms, standards and practices. Yet you've decided not to be anymore. OK, fine.

 

So the question before you, is how much convergence with future EU norms, standards and practices can you afford to ignore, if you want to maintain economic relevance relative to the rest of the world converging on them?

 

Objectively, not a whole lot, because whenever you don't converge, or converge slower than competing countries, you'll be losing both EU business and non-EU (but EU-converging) business.

And we'll trade with the eu, just as japan, china, usa, south korea all do.

We can do that without having an eu parliament. It doesn't also mean taking chlorinated chicken, we don't take it now and we don't need to take it in future.

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But why would you want to do it without an EU parliament? If you accept that you want to converge with the EU, why not, well.. stay converged with the EU?

 

Why Leave?

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29 minutes ago, Obelix said:

But why would you want to do it without an EU parliament? If you accept that you want to converge with the EU, why not, well.. stay converged with the EU?

 

Why Leave?

I've been asking the same question since 23rd June 2016

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39 minutes ago, woodview said:

It doesn't also mean taking chlorinated chicken, we don't take it now and we don't need to take it in future.

Who says that we won't need to in the future?

 

If Trump says "We'll buy your Triumph motorcycles but you must buy our chlorinated chicken", what are we going to say?

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7 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Who says that we won't need to in the future?

 

If Trump says "We'll buy your Triumph motorcycles but you must buy our chlorinated chicken", what are we going to say?

'no'

subservient types might think they have to say yes.

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12 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Who says that we won't need to in the future?

 

If Trump says "We'll buy your Triumph motorcycles but you must buy our chlorinated chicken", what are we going to say?

Try the Thailand branch.

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3 minutes ago, woodview said:

'no'

subservient types might think they have to say yes.

What do you then say to Triumph executives who say that without the US market, the company's viability is threatened?

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5 minutes ago, woodview said:

'no'

subservient types might think they have to say yes.

we will jump, like we always do, you can act hard if you want but we WILL jump

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1 minute ago, Top Cats Hat said:

What do you then say to Triumph executives who say that without the US market, the company's viability is threatened?

what do you say without your markets, your viability is threatened?

 

1 minute ago, melthebell said:

we will jump, like we always do, you can act hard if you want but we WILL jump

why? we sell bikes there now. He can say that now. It's just usual moon is going to fall out of the sky blubbering.

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