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[tzijlstra 11]

1 hour ago, apelike said:

Which is an EU regulation about the movement of people across borders (Schengen Borders Code) and is not applicable to us anyway as we are not in the Schengen area. EU rules will also not be applicable to the UK if it leaves the EU.

I mentioned it was one of several. Schengen regulates part of the border - in this case it refers to the movement of people for those outside of the Schengen treaty wanting to come into the Schengen area. There are several other EU laws related to the external border of the EU. The UK will be outside of the EU so will be subject to that regulation each time something has to be moved across the border into the EU. Similarly, the UK has laws that apply each time something has to be moved across the border into the EU. These are unilateral, sovereign laws that already exist.  

 

It doesn't matter whether that EU-law applies IN the UK, it will apply TO the UK (and in some instances already does as the UK is not in Schengen) with relation to all traffic across the EU/UK border. 

[Top Cats Hat 10]

Any trade deal done anywhere in the world where the two parties are not already in a customs union or covered by some other customs agreement, places a responsibility on both parties to that agreement to control the movement of goods between those territories and collect any duties due. 

 

It doesn't work otherwise.

 

We constantly hear Brexiteers banging on about this great new future of worldwide trade deals where we don't pay our debts to former trading partners and will refuse to police the borders or carry out customs checks. On a scale of 1 to 10 how well do they think this will go?

 

On the subject of a no deal Brexit, a 'Tory watcher' on one of the politics programmes has said that there could be up to 50 Conservative MPs (including ministers like Amber Rudd) who will resign from the party if the UK leaves the EU without a deal. More importantly she estimates that at least half of them would vote against their former party in a vote of no confidence which would force a general election.

 

Now those 50 or so former Tory MPs would have to stand as independants splitting the Tory vote. Only 8 former Labour MPs would stand splitting the Labour vote which could give Labour a 20-30 seat majority.

 

Something for Teresa May to think about! 😵

[Mister M 1,609]

I'd not seen this before. 

 

[JFKvsNixon 11]

1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Any trade deal done anywhere in the world where the two parties are not already in a customs union or covered by some other customs agreement, places a responsibility on both parties to that agreement to control the movement of goods between those territories and collect any duties due. 

 

It doesn't work otherwise.

 

We constantly hear Brexiteers banging on about this great new future of worldwide trade deals where we don't pay our debts to former trading partners and will refuse to police the borders or carry out customs checks. On a scale of 1 to 10 how well do they think this will go?

 

On the subject of a no deal Brexit, a 'Tory watcher' on one of the politics programmes has said that there could be up to 50 Conservative MPs (including ministers like Amber Rudd) who will resign from the party if the UK leaves the EU without a deal. More importantly she estimates that at least half of them would vote against their former party in a vote of no confidence which would force a general election.

 

Now those 50 or so former Tory MPs would have to stand as independants splitting the Tory vote. Only 8 former Labour MPs would stand splitting the Labour vote which could give Labour a 20-30 seat majority.

 

Something for Teresa May to think about! 😵

I agree.

 

It seems to be forgotten that the core foundation of any trade deal is trust. At the moment can any country truly believe that we'd stick to any negotiated deal, when we seem willing to walk away from any deal that doesn't suit us.

[apelike 10]

6 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

A statement that is utterly irrelevant unless you back it with an argument. 

Irrelevant or not it was a statement and that's all, glad you now agree.

 

4 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Any trade deal done anywhere in the world where the two parties are not already in a customs union or covered by some other customs agreement, places a responsibility on both parties to that agreement to control the movement of goods between those territories and collect any duties due. 

 

It doesn't work otherwise.

So you now say its a responsible agreement and not a legal requirement after all, as above I'm glad you now agree.

Edited February 22, 2019 by apelike

[apelike 10]

5 hours ago, geared said:

They already have voted on such an amendment though I believe?  A 3 month extension tabled by Labour only a few weeks ago?

I thought that got rejected?

[Penistone999 10]

2 hours ago, apelike said:

I thought that got rejected?

The SNP tabled an amendment o extend article 50 which have heavily defeated by over 300 to 39. 

[I1L2T3 10]

1 hour ago, Penistone999 said:

The SNP tabled an amendment o extend article 50 which have heavily defeated by over 300 to 39. 

So a no deal cannot be avoided?

3 hours ago, apelike said:

Irrelevant or not it was a statement and that's all, glad you now agree.

Glad you agree it was irrelevant 

[Litotes 63]

3 hours ago, apelike said:

Irrelevant or not it was a statement and that's all, glad you now agree.

 

So you now say its a responsible agreement and not a legal requirement after all, as above I'm glad you now agree.

So, when many brexitreers have advocated the hard brexit and defaulting on the £39B that we owe to the EU.

 

Do you still maintain that defaulting on that responsible obligation will make other countries of the world want to create agreements with us?

Just be aware of the failing of Fantastic Mr Fox who said that the trade deals "should be the easiest in history" to get, and that he has just admitted that they won't be in place by the 29th March.

 

Or is this just another pack of leavers-lies? (available at all good fiction stores)

[Top Cats Hat 10]

1 hour ago, Penistone999 said:

The SNP tabled an amendment o extend article 50 which have heavily defeated by over 300 to 39. 

You don't understand politics do you?

 

While May's deal is still on the table most Tories will not support an extension to Article 50. Once it falls, all bets are off and what you would do well to remember is that only 30-35 MPs support no deal and a majority have already expressed a desire to avoid no deal.

 

So add to them all the Tories who are giving May's deal a chance and you  have 500+ MPs who oppose no deal and 30-35 MPs who support no deal.

 

So we are leaving the EU on 29 March, whatever happens?

 

****** are we! 😂

 

[I1L2T3 10]

2 hours ago, Penistone999 said:

The SNP tabled an amendment o extend article 50 which have heavily defeated by over 300 to 39. 

Irrelevant

[Phanerothyme 12]

On 21/02/2019 at 23:48, Longcol said:

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