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[Top Cats Hat 10]

14 minutes ago, RJRB said:

Corbyn sits on the fence waiting for the catastrophe that will allow him a chance of winning a position that he has done nothing to earn.

Corbyn is even more pro Brexit than Teresa May and if he thinks that he will not be seen as equally responsible for Brexit then he is even more naive that I've previously thought.

 

Even his own constituents in Islington are now defacing his billboards near his contituency office.

 

Corbyn has to go and sooner, rather than later. His comments on the Lisbon Treaty vote in Ireland make it impossible to lead any anti-Brexit campaign.

[hobinfoot 25]

1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Corbyn is even more pro Brexit than Teresa May and if he thinks that he will not be seen as equally responsible for Brexit then he is even more naive that I've previously thought.

 

Even his own constituents in Islington are now defacing his billboards near his contituency office.

 

Corbyn has to go and sooner, rather than later. His comments on the Lisbon Treaty vote in Ireland make it impossible to lead any anti-Brexit campaign.

A latest Yougove poll using the mrp model shows the Conservatives up 4 seats Labour down 12. Because SF never take theirs and counting the other parties this would give the Conservatives a working majority of 10. Considering the turmoil at the moment this would be incredible.

[Lockdoctor 10]

7 hours ago, L00b said:

There are several other posters that fit, or have previously fitted, that 'on the fence' position you claim to be in, in debate at least. Not that I'm after pigeon-holing you, I take every poster as they come. But since your posts are the only objective evidence at hand, I can only believe what I read: your posts include a lot of Brexity untruths and dog whistles, and don't read like those of a remain voter (with Lockdoctor usefully providing that fabled exception which confirms the rule) or 'on the fence' person.

 

And it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to the debated points, nor to the situation the UK is in. Nothing to see here, carry on.

Like you English is not my first language. I don't understand what you are saying about me.  Are you accusing me of telling pork pies, when I say I voted to  remain in the EU?   

[L00b 441]

17 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Like you English is not my first language. I don't understand what you are saying about me.  

It's couched in plain enough English, according to your posts you don't seem to have a problem reading or writing it.

17 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Are you accusing me of telling pork pies, when I say I voted to  remain in the EU?   

Absolutely. Now, were you getting ready to post some faux outrage or something? Because it's not for the first time, by far. So this can't exactly come as a surprise to you.

 

All the same, and as posted again (for WiseOwl's benefit), whether you did vote remain or not, doesn't matter one bit. Neither in this debating thread, nor in the grand scheme of things.

 

It's no more than a vain appeal to non-existent authority: your arguments matter, not your 2016 vote. Because your vote, remain or leave, does not legitimise your arguments: only facts and logic do.

 

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[Lockdoctor 10]

15 minutes ago, L00b said:

It's couched in plain enough English, according to your posts you don't seem to have a problem reading or writing it.

Absolutely. Now, were you getting ready to post some faux outrage or something? Because it's not for the first time, by far. So this can't exactly come as a surprise to you.

 

All the same, and as posted again (for WiseOwl's benefit), whether you did vote remain or not, doesn't matter one bit. Neither in this debating thread, nor in the grand scheme of things.

 

It's no more than a vain appeal to non-existent authority: your arguments matter, not your 2016 vote. Because your vote, remain or leave, does not legitimise your arguments: only facts and logic do.

 

You are hilarious. I don't post faux outrage because I am not a fake person.  I have spoken English for many more years than I spoke the language of my birth which is why I have a better understanding of English than the  language of my birth.  I think  I am a normal person.  When I went to vote on 23rd June 2016,  I didn't know whether the UK would better off  or worse off, if the UK left the EU, which is why I voted to remain in the EU, which was a logical decision.   The majority voted to leave the EU which is my main reason for supporting the UK leaving the EU,  because the majority voted for that option in a two horse race.

 

My logic is,  if there is a referendum where the people are asked to make a choice of two options,  is that the option which  receives the most votes is implicated and everyone accepts the decision made by the majority.

[WiseOwl182 10]

9 hours ago, L00b said:

There are several other posters that fit, or have previously fitted, that 'on the fence' position you claim to be in, in debate at least. Not that I'm after pigeon-holing you, I take every poster as they come. But since your posts are the only objective evidence at hand, I can only believe what I read: your posts include a lot of Brexity untruths and dog whistles, and don't read like those of a remain voter (with Lockdoctor usefully providing that fabled exception which confirms the rule) or 'on the fence' person.

 

And it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to the debated points, nor to the situation the UK is in. Nothing to see here, carry on.

Just because I can see both sides doesn't mean I'm a Brexiteer. I just don't like to see the EU painted out to be some holy grail by ardent remainers when it's not. We voted to join a trade bloc, but the scope creep has already been immense and a United States of Europe is, to me, the logical conclusion in the decades to come. I don't want that.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

13 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

I just don't like to see the EU painted out to be some holy grail by ardent remainers when it's not. 

In that case, maybe you could show just one post of the tens of thousands already posted here, which paints the EU as a holy grail.

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3 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

In that case, maybe you could show just one post of the tens of thousands already posted here, which paints the EU as a holy grail.

I think the point there, is that most Remain posts are very good at highlighting why UK is / will be crap on its own, and we should stay under mummy EU's wing.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

2 minutes ago, woodview said:

I think the point there, is that most Remain posts are very good at highlighting why UK is / will be crap on its own, and we should stay under mummy EU's wing.

No.

 

Most Remain supporters are saying that the UK has benefitted massively from membership of the EU and leaving it will cause us serious economic and cultural damage, possibly permanently.

 

That isn't denying that the EU has its faults, just that even with those faults we are far better off inside than out. NOT ONE positive ecomomic advantage has ever been put forward for leaving the EU.

[woodview 10]

3 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

No.

 

Most Remain supporters are saying that the UK has benefitted massively from membership of the EU and leaving it will cause us serious economic and cultural damage, possibly permanently.

 

That isn't denying that the EU has its faults, just that even with those faults we are far better off inside than out. NOT ONE positive ecomomic advantage has ever been put forward for leaving the EU.

OK, lets's stick with them and not take the 0.2% predicted hit to GDP. Keep those socialist principles alive brother............

[Penistone999 10]

18 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

The referendum didn't really engage with any of the issues to do with our membership of the EU as can be seen by the number of "No one told us about this!" questions that have arisen since 2016. 

Would you  demand another general election just because you find out the politicians have lied to to get your vote ?  

 

 

[Top Cats Hat 10]

5 minutes ago, woodview said:

OK, lets's stick with them and not take the 0.2% predicted hit to GDP. Keep those socialist principles alive brother............

The mess we are in means we need growth and we need growth sooner rather than later.

 

We can't afford any hit to our GDP nor the threat of entering into another recession. That is where Corbyn has missed a once in a lifetime trick. The election of an anti Brexit Labour government would give both the pound and the economy such a kick that he would have a ton of liquidity to carry out most of his election promises.

 

McDonnell understands finance and economics. A straight swap for Labour leader and Labour can ditch this ridiculous, outdated ultraleft attitude to the EU.