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[I1L2T3 10]

18 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

If both sides want to trade then trade. It's not beyond capabilities of both sides to come up with a deal that works for everyone.

To understand how that would work look at the EU-Japan deal (or in fact any deal for any country with the EU) and the convergence aspects on a wide variety of elements such as regulations, standards, dispute resolution etc...

 

We can’t have a trade deal with the EU and not converge on those things. Convergence in practical terms for us would be pretty much like being in EFTA/EEA at least because of our proximity, levels of trade and need for cooperation in hundreds of other areas.

Edited February 11, 2019 by I1L2T3

[Magilla 510]

7 minutes ago, L00b said:

To my knowledge, the UK hasn't yet asked for any deal beyond the (draft) withdrawal agreement.

Oh I edited that, now i'll have to edit it back

 

Sorry, yes, I should have clarified the deal Brexiteers have promised...."all the benefits with none of the responsibilities"

 

That farce is yet to come.

 

 

Edited February 11, 2019 by Magilla

[El Cid 214]

1 hour ago, L00b said:

Whereby it is perfectly possible (current estimates have it at 60% likelihood) that no deal gets signed before 29 March, mutually beneficial or otherwise. Even though the answer is yes, always has been, and still is, of course.

 

UK To Leave EU With No Brexit Deal Before 1st April 2019 = 7/4

[hobinfoot 25]

41 minutes ago, Magilla said:

The problem of course is that the deal the UK is asking for is better than anything anyone else has, even EU members!

 

Why do you think the UK deserves such special treatment?

 

The uk shouldn't be given a deal that is better than anyone else. But why do people just dismiss having a deal for the sake of argument? 

[mafya 243]

U.K. Signs Post-Brexit Trade Continuity Deal With Switzerland= 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-11/u-k-signs-post-brexit-trade-continuity-deal-with-switzerland

[Mister M 1,609]

John Inman  David Davis has announced that a plummeting pound under a no deal Brexit 'might not be such a bad thing'

 

https://news.sky.com/story/david-davis-pound-plummeting-under-a-no-deal-brexit-might-not-be-such-a-bad-thing-11634361

 

Boris Johnson seems to think that the rest of the world is looking on with admiration at the UK leaving the EU:

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/boris-johnson-brexit-uk-radio-4-today-show-latest-news/

 

Make of that what you will.

[melthebell 862]

9 minutes ago, Mister M said:

John Inman  David Davis has announced that a plummeting pound under a no deal Brexit 'might not be such a bad thing'

 

https://news.sky.com/story/david-davis-pound-plummeting-under-a-no-deal-brexit-might-not-be-such-a-bad-thing-11634361

 

Boris Johnson seems to think that the rest of the world is looking on with admiration at the UK leaving the EU:

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/boris-johnson-brexit-uk-radio-4-today-show-latest-news/

 

Make of that what you will.

Talking out of his arse as usual

 

the rest of the world are looking on and laughing with bewilderment at us bunch of clowns

 

[L00b 441]

1 hour ago, hobinfoot said:

The uk shouldn't be given a deal that is better than anyone else. But why do people just dismiss having a deal for the sake of argument? 

Who does that?

 

47 minutes ago, mafya said:

U.K. Signs Post-Brexit Trade Continuity Deal With Switzerland= 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-11/u-k-signs-post-brexit-trade-continuity-deal-with-switzerland

The UK already did that with Israel a good while back.

 

Superficially, it's good news for the UK, in a 'catching a life vest' sense (those continuity agreements with Switzerland (there's 4 or 5) only apply if there is a no deal Brexit).

 

The fly in the ointment lies with what's traded, and in what volumes:  UK is CH's 6th supplier, CHF 6.1bn's worth, and 11th client, CHF 11.4bn  (2017 figures).

 

It's far from enough to even begin to balance trade volumes and values at risk with the EU, US, Japan (collectively, hundreds of £ bn).

Edited February 11, 2019 by L00b

[woodview 10]

1 hour ago, I1L2T3 said:

To understand how that would work look at the EU-Japan deal (or in fact any deal for any country with the EU) and the convergence aspects on a wide variety of elements such as regulations, standards, dispute resolution etc...

 

We can’t have a trade deal with the EU and not converge on those things. Convergence in practical terms for us would be pretty much like being in EFTA/EEA at least because of our proximity, levels of trade and need for cooperation in hundreds of other areas.

we don't need to converge, we are already converged and have been for years.

As you mentioned, Japan doing it, so it is possible. Plus that country called China, seem to have managed to sell one or two things in UK and EU............

[L00b 441]

24 minutes ago, woodview said:

we don't need to converge, we are already converged and have been for years.

As you mentioned, Japan doing it, so it is possible. Plus that country called China, seem to have managed to sell one or two things in UK and EU............

I believe I1L2T3's point was that you'll need to stay converged post-Brexit, hence the parallel with EEA/EFTA countries (which are outside the EU, but toe EU directives in areas of pooled sovereignty - those being fewer/smaller in scope for them, relative to 'full fat' EU member states).

 

Which kinda flies in the face of the "regain full control" mantra, unfortunately for Leavers who don't understand how the world works, nor the 'Brussels effect'.

Edited February 11, 2019 by L00b

[Top Cats Hat 10]

12 minutes ago, L00b said:

Which kinda flies in the face of the "regain full control" mantra, unfortunately for Leavers who don't understand how the world works, nor the 'Brussels effect'.

What most Brexiteers repeatedly fail to grasp is that we operate in an incredibly integrated world now, where even isolationist states such as North Korea have to trade with many countries (other than China).

 

We are gradually sliding down the table of world economies as what we used to call 'third world' countries are gradually climbing.

 

This is a really dumb time in our history to go it alone! 🙄

 

We risk being absolutely mullahed!

[Magilla 510]

5 hours ago, hobinfoot said:

The uk shouldn't be given a deal that is better than anyone else.

The UK has already dismissed all deals that are comparable to what everyone else enjoys.

 

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But why do people just dismiss having a deal for the sake of argument? 

The only deals being dismissed are the UK's cake and eat it ones (for obvious reasons)

 

 

 

5 hours ago, mafya said:

U.K. Signs Post-Brexit Trade Continuity Deal With Switzerland= 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-11/u-k-signs-post-brexit-trade-continuity-deal-with-switzerland

 

Yay! 2.5 years of effort, cost and uncertainty to get what we already had... slow clap time!

 

'Basic questions unanswered' on Swiss trade deal:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46854002

Edited February 11, 2019 by Magilla