Litotes   63 #2533 Posted February 10, 2019 5 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said: So why are Remain still only edging it in the polls then, much like they were in 2016?  Because people are scared of standing up and saying "I want to vote remain even though I voted leave last time " due to the threats and aggression that is aimed at remainers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
mafya   246 #2534 Posted February 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, Litotes said: Because people are scared of standing up and saying "I want to vote remain even though I voted leave last time " due to the threats and aggression that is aimed at remainers. Most of the aggression, sneering, belittling and abuse on this thread comes from the remainers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
taxman   12 #2535 Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, mafya said: Most of the aggression, sneering, belittling and abuse on this thread comes from the remainers. Awww, snowflake Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol   600 #2536 Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, taxman said: We've gone from sunlit uplands to scrambling around foraging for seaweed  Lol - a few bob to be made in charabanc trips to the coast so brexiters can pick their own. Journey back would be a bit smelly though 😎 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Top Cats Hat   10 #2537 Posted February 10, 2019 52 minutes ago, Litotes said: Because people are scared of standing up and saying "I want to vote remain even though I voted leave last time " due to the threats and aggression that is aimed at remainers. Also there is a social phenomenon where when people make a mistake they are reluctant to admit it publicly even to a pollster.  Although the polls put Leave/Remain at 44/55%, the above phenomenon could produce a Remain vote as high as 76% when people can vote in secret which would certainly stop any whining about 'not respecting the 2016 vote'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WiseOwl182   10 #2538 Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said: A further referendum will be a proper Catch 22 for Brextremists.  They will have to insist on no deal being one of the options but at the same time know that this will split the Leave vote and allow a stronger Remain showing. They have exactly the same problem with the next 'meaningful vote' in parliament where if they don't back May's 'surrender' deal they will almost certainly end up with no Brexit at all! Easily solved with a 2nd preference vote. 3 options:  Remain May's deal No deal  First and second preference.   1 hour ago, Litotes said: Because people are scared of standing up and saying "I want to vote remain even though I voted leave last time " due to the threats and aggression that is aimed at remainers. Rubbish. 3 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: .  Although the polls put Leave/Remain at 44/55%, the above phenomenon could produce a Remain vote as high as 76% when people can vote in secret which would certainly stop any whining about 'not respecting the 2016 vote'. Now you're just dreaming. Edited February 10, 2019 by WiseOwl182 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Top Cats Hat   10 #2539 Posted February 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said: Now you're just dreaming. Really?  Of course it all depends on when a second vote is held but the remain vote is increasing every day and has been since June 2016. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Penistone999   10 #2540 Posted February 10, 2019 5 hours ago, I1L2T3 said: Because they truly believed in democracy Democracy means leaving the EU lock ,stock and Barrel , after all , thats what people voted for . LEAVE . 36 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: Also there is a social phenomenon where when people make a mistake they are reluctant to admit it publicly even to a pollster.  Although the polls put Leave/Remain at 44/55%, the above phenomenon could produce a Remain vote as high as 76% when people can vote in secret which would certainly stop any whining about 'not respecting the 2016 vote'. The only mistake we made was not walking away the day we triggered 50 . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ANGELFIRE1   10 #2541 Posted February 10, 2019 49 minutes ago, Penistone999 said: Democracy means leaving the EU lock ,stock and Barrel , after all , thats what people voted for . LEAVE . The only mistake we made was not walking away the day we triggered 50 . I would go with that.  The problem we leavers had was a PM who waved the white flag and capitulated before she even met with the EU. They told May to jump and her answer was, how high.  Angel1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
I1L2T3   10 #2542 Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Penistone999 said: Democracy means leaving the EU lock ,stock and Barrel , after all , thats what people voted for . LEAVE . The only mistake we made was not walking away the day we triggered 50 . Nope, imposing a version of Brexit that nobody voted for isn’t democracy. 27 minutes ago, ANGELFIRE1 said: I would go with that.  The problem we leavers had was a PM who waved the white flag and capitulated before she even met with the EU. They told May to jump and her answer was, how high.  Angel1. Why do you think no deal is a good idea? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hobinfoot   25 #2543 Posted February 10, 2019 It makes me smile when I read the comments on here. How is it that the information given on here isn't known to the politicians but can be found by people who contribute. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid   216 #2544 Posted February 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, hobinfoot said: It makes me smile when I read the comments on here. How is it that the information given on here isn't known to the politicians but can be found by people who contribute. We all have knowledge of what is going on, but our interpretation of the facts varies greatly. We watch the same news but our deep inbuilt bias means that we see those facts in a different light. It's amazing how these threads go on and on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...