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1 hour ago, RJRB said:

The original goal of the EU was certainly based on creating a harmonious trading bloc and in my opinion some of the objectives have been achieved with cooperation between member states to a greater degree than has existed before.

 

Had it stuck to its original objective we would not be in this mess. Don't blame the UK electorate for collectively now wanting out of something they never agreed to in the first place. The EU is scope creep on a collosal scale.

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3 hours ago, woodview said:

Brexit isnt a left right issue imo.

Of course it is.

 

Brexit has its origins in the right of the Conservative Party, is supported by far right UK political organisations. It is aided by right wing elements in Russia,  right and far right populist movements in Europe and alt right elements in the US. Many of the leading players in the Brexit campaign were also involved in the campaign to elect Trump and it is bankrolled by extremely rich businessmen who get to benefit enormously from the UK being free of employment protections, health and safety protection, workers rights, food and animal welfare standards etc.

 

In what bonkers world can Brexit not possibly be seen as a right wing political phenomenon? 🙄

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27 minutes ago, Penistone999 said:

Spot on. When we voted in the 70`s , we voted to join the common market , not a dictatorship run from Brussels. 

And we don't have a dictatorship run from Brussels - after all we are represented there by people like Mr Farage.

 

Currently we have more of a dictatorship in No10 - Mrs May is running a totalitarian establishment which pays no heed to the electorate or to parliament.

My Way say Mrs May or the cliff edge - where is the listening behind that?

1 minute ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Of course it is.

 

Brexit has its origins in the right of the Conservative Party, is supported by far right UK political organisations. It is aided by right wing elements in Russia,  right and far right populist movements in Europe and alt right elements in the US. Many of the leading players in the Brexit campaign were also involved in the campaign to elect Trump and it is bankrolled by extremely rich businessmen who get to benefit enormously from the UK being free of employment protections, health and safety protection, workers rights, food and animal welfare standards etc.

 

In what bonkers world can Brexit not possibly be seen as a right wing political phenomenon? 🙄

Absolutely - any true socialist would support the EU, not Brexit where all the fats cats of this world (Farage, Rees-Mogg etc) are raking the money in from the uncertainty they are supprting.

Don't forget, Farage has just German passports for his kids... it can't be all bad!

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1 hour ago, Albert smith said:

It was called The Common Market ,A get together of half a dozen European Countries to make trade among them selves a little easier ,not the monster it has become with the thousands of bureaucrats jumping on the gravy train .

 

Just look at them on teli , marching around like mad men acting as though they are the cat that has won the cream, which by the way they have.

 

So you disregard all that has been achieved within the EU because of your perceptions as detailed in your second paragraph.

Is the  EU set up really any different to our own government and civil servants.

 

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8 hours ago, woodview said:

Where does the EU get it's money? Do some research before spouting stupid rhetoric please.

You really are naive. Poor thing. 

 

The councils of the South West have been told that they can’t expect to get the same level of funding, in fact no where remotely near from central government compared to what the EU currently gives them if we leave. 

 

So how will you square this circle? The bottom line line is, you have absolutely no idea what is going on. 

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1 hour ago, ez8004 said:

You really are naive. Poor thing. 

 

The councils of the South West have been told that they can’t expect to get the same level of funding, in fact no where remotely near from central government compared to what the EU currently gives them if we leave. 

 

So how will you square this circle? The bottom line line is, you have absolutely no idea what is going on. 

You chose to completely ignore the question. It's our money they are handing out. We pay in £13 BN and they spend £4 BN here for us.

Ps cut out the aggressive language.

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our government has grasped every opportunity to prove that they don't really have an interest supporting jobs, infrastructure and community schemes in the regions.

 

it's not even as if our EU contributions are all that significant, super-roughly about 1% of total government spending.

 

if the UK government gave a fig about the regions, they've had plenty of time and money to show it.

 

speaking as someone who lives, and works, in a region that has benefitted hugely from EU spending (S Yorks), while our own government looks in the other direction, i'm extremely thankful that the EU exists in a form that actively engages in regional development.

 

example : the AMP.

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25 minutes ago, woodview said:

You chose to completely ignore the question. It's our money they are handing out. We pay in £13 BN and they spend £4 BN here for us.

EU membership provides economies of scale. To replicate the many systems we're now walking away from and the bureaucracy this will create will cost far more than our membership dues ever did.

 

HMRC esitimates customs declarations for business alone will cost anywhere between £6->20bn if we're outside the CU.

 

There are no savings from leaving the EU, quite the opposite, we've already spent that money several times over.

 

At best, expect the size, number, scope and cost of any "regenertation" schemes to be severely reduced.

 

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9 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

 

In what bonkers world can Brexit not possibly be seen as a right wing political phenomenon? 🙄

In the world where people who think they are right-on lefty warriors have been suckered into accepting that unlimited cheap labour is good for the low paid. 'Look lads it's racist to not like it' , and all nod along.

Dream land. If half of them had actually worked in an environment where it affected them, they might not be so smug.

It's a left wing  issue, straight out of Islington, not in the real world.

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5 minutes ago, woodview said:

In the world where people who think they are right-on lefty warriors have been suckered into accepting that unlimited cheap labour is good for the low paid. 'Look lads it's racist to not like it' , and all nod along.

Dream land. If half of them had actually worked in an environment where it affected them, they might not be so smug.

It's a left wing  issue, straight out of Islington, not in the real world.

That’s a very strange view of the world. Brexit is now the fault of the left. Well done.

 

I never stop marvelling at the mental gymnastics Brexiters are capable of to justify the upcoming destruction of the U.K. 

36 minutes ago, woodview said:

You chose to completely ignore the question. It's our money they are handing out. We pay in £13 BN and they spend £4 BN here for us.

Ps cut out the aggressive language.

Are those figures accurate?

 

Anyway let’s imagine you are right. What do you think happens to the other £9bn?

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14 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

Anyway let’s imagine you are right. What do you think happens to the other £9bn?

Bingo! It doesn't just vanish into thin air... :?

 

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