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10 hours ago, ez8004 said:

Sigh. You have absolutely no idea what is going on do you?

I know that Roland Rudd, the Chairman of the 'People's Vote', has spoken live this week from the ski slopes of Davos, where the super rich in attendance have attacked a proposal to tax US millionaires at 70 per cent on income exceeding $10 million. Tony Blair, also attending, spoke from his expensive mountain chalet about there not being a majority for a second referendum in the UK yet. 

 

But he knows there is a majority for a second referendum among the elite group in Davos. 

Edited January 25, 2019 by Car Boot

[Gormenghast 59]

2 hours ago, Cyclone said:

Democracies are ALL ABOUT repeatedly asking the same question.  

I agree.

 

So why can't there be a losers vote that does just that.  Asks the same question as the first referendum and doesn't try to split the vote with a third option?

Edited January 25, 2019 by Gormenghast

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26 minutes ago, Gormenghast said:

I agree.

 

So why can't there be a losers vote that does just that.  Asks the same question as the first referendum and doesn't try to split the vote with a third option?

The difficulty is leave supporters can't agree on what leave means. The ambiguity about what leave means is the cause of most of the problems May has had trying to get a deal agreed. Just repeating the referendum with "Leave" as an option won't do anything to resolve that. If a new ballot doesn't allow people to chose between "Leave - TM's deal" and "Leave - no deal" (and there are good reasons for not doing so) it should specify which of them it means so that people know what they are voting for and there is no argument about what was chosen when it comes to implementing it.

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Article 24 back in the news, but for leavers... for all the wrong reasons

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-wto/trade-experts-dismiss-brexiteers-faith-in-obscure-wto-clause-idUKKCN1PH24V

 

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12 minutes ago, altus said:

The difficulty is leave supporters can't agree on what leave means. The ambiguity about what leave means is the cause of most of the problems May has had trying to get a deal agreed. Just repeating the referendum with "Leave" as an option won't do anything to resolve that. If a new ballot doesn't allow people to chose between "Leave - TM's deal" and "Leave - no deal" (and there are good reasons for not doing so) it should specify which of them it means so that people know what they are voting for and there is no argument about what was chosen when it comes to implementing it.

The Withdrawal Agreement has no legal bearing on the UK's future trade relationship with the EU.  There shouldn't  be another referendum and if Parliament don't agree to support the Withdrawal Agreement on offer, then leaving the EU on 29th March will give what every leave voter supported, which is to leave the EU.  

1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

I know that Roland Rudd, the Chairman of the 'People's Vote', has spoken live this week from the ski slopes of Davos, where the super rich in attendance have attacked a proposal to tax US millionaires at 70 per cent on income exceeding $10 million. Tony Blair, also attending, spoke from his expensive mountain chalet about there not being a majority for a second referendum in the UK yet. 

 

But he knows there is a majority for a second referendum among the elite group in Davos. 

Very good and ironic.  A majority of the people don't want a People's Vote.

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1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

I know that Roland Rudd, the Chairman of the 'People's Vote', has spoken live this week from the ski slopes of Davos, where the super rich in attendance have attacked a proposal to tax US millionaires at 70 per cent on income exceeding $10 million. Tony Blair, also attending, spoke from his expensive mountain chalet about there not being a majority for a second referendum in the UK yet. 

 

But he knows there is a majority for a second referendum among the elite group in Davos. 

We're all ears on Blair's advice, he could have put his weapons of mass destruction lie on a bus too couldn't he? The half million killed in Iraq is all forgotten and he can preach to us about brexit now.

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On ‎23‎/‎01‎/‎2019 at 19:06, El Cid said:

Most of us will never change our minds about Brexit no matter what happens – our brains simply can't

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-leave-remain-tribalism-second-referendum-science-psychology-a8736371.html?fbclid=IwAR2uGuIBHStftXEpl23HkFC8J6DCIYTpt2L2q74CrWN5KqJFztbr8RSDHV0

Yes but if we did not leave the EU and the backstop were in force how, where and when would we pay the import duty on our goods to the EU? Would it be paid by computerised money transfer when the goods were first sent, or when the delivery lorry driver passes the customs checkpoint in Ireland, or what? Or have I misunderstood the whole thing? Does the end user pay the duty for example?  

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12 minutes ago, woolyhead said:

Yes but if we did not leave the EU and the backstop were in force how, where and when would we pay the import duty on our goods to the EU? Would it be paid by computerised money transfer when the goods were first sent, or when the delivery lorry driver passes the customs checkpoint in Ireland, or what? Or have I misunderstood the whole thing? Does the end user pay the duty for example?  

The end user will pay the duty because the cost will be passed on to them. Most small importers  use a freight forwarding company to sort out all the duty payments when importing goods from non EU countries at the moment.  

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5 hours ago, Cyclone said:

You still don't understand that it was the super rich who were instructing you to vote leave?

Which seems to equal up when it was also the super rich that instructed you to remain! 

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5 hours ago, Cyclone said:

Democracies are ALL ABOUT repeatedly asking the same question.  

If that was true then if there is another referendum the questions should be the same again, Remain or Leave.

 

5 hours ago, Cyclone said:

It's pretty much the definition of democracy that the electorate can change their mind.

But that is only on condition that our democratically elected representatives allow the electorate to, which gives it a slightly different slant.

Edited January 25, 2019 by apelike

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12 minutes ago, apelike said:

If that was true then if there is another referendum the questions should be the same again, Remain or Leave.

 

But that is only on condition that our democratically elected representatives allow the electorate to, which gives it a slightly different slant.

I agree as long as Leave is as well defined as Remain is.

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1 hour ago, woolyhead said:

... if we did not leave the EU and the backstop were in force how, where and when would we pay the import duty on our goods to the EU?

the backstop, is essentially a version of norway's relationship with the EU, ie. in the customs union.

 

ergo, no duty to pay.

Edited January 25, 2019 by ads36