I1L2T3 10 #1105 Posted January 23, 2019 4 hours ago, apelike said: Dont be daft. Do you really think that people from developed Commonwealth countries will be encouraged to come here to pick fruit in the fields or do warehousing jobs and then find they cant get a house to live in? No that is something that exists in your mind only. Considering the demographics are not in favour of that especially with Facebook then I dont think so. You must be living on a different planet. The vast majority of commonwealth citizens live in undeveloped and underdeveloped countries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
woolyhead 15 #1106 Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) If there were no backstop in force how and where and when would duty be paid on our exports to the EU after we left the EU? Edited January 23, 2019 by woolyhead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid 216 #1107 Posted January 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mister M said: It is shocking. Perhaps they still haven't got the message that many have been articulating - that a no deal Brexit would be catastrophic. Most of us will never change our minds about Brexit no matter what happens – our brains simply can't https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-leave-remain-tribalism-second-referendum-science-psychology-a8736371.html?fbclid=IwAR2uGuIBHStftXEpl23HkFC8J6DCIYTpt2L2q74CrWN5KqJFztbr8RSDHV0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
apelike 10 #1108 Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, L00b said: That assumption makes no economical sense whatsoever. It does if the countries that are now supplying the cheap labour develop their economies to such an extent that jobs are plentiful which will mean looking outside for work and being used for cheap labour becomes a lot less. It was about what could happen in the future and not now as a consequence of brexit. 2 hours ago, L00b said: When was this posed? I must have missed it, because it's easily answered: less labour chases the work, making labour more expensive, whereby those economies lose competitivity to those economies that still use cheap labour. Post 1052 but posed slightly different. Quote: "What happens when the newer members economies start growing enough that jobs in those countries are no longer scarce and the people in those countries dont have to go elsewhere for a job. Just where will the developed economies then get their cheap labour from?" 2 hours ago, L00b said: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Car Boot 10 #1109 Posted January 23, 2019 30 minutes ago, Mister M said: It is shocking. Last week's Question Time on the BBC from Derby, when, I think it was Isobel Oakshott spoke in favour of a no deal Brexit, should there be no consensus achieved. The audience erupted in cheers and applause! This from a city that has a number of large employers in the manufacturing sector. Perhaps they still haven't got the message that many have been articulating - that a no deal Brexit would be catastrophic. The working class still haven't got the message that rich establishment Remainers have been articulating from Davos with their £billionaire friends. Roland Rudd, Chairman of the 'People's Vote' campaign, has been articulating the need for the rich to steal the votes of the poor live from the World Economic Forum. To the Remainer establishment elite the only kind of people that matter are rich people. The Leave voters, all 17.4 million of them, aren't even people to the rich who attend Davos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
apelike 10 #1110 Posted January 23, 2019 19 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: The vast majority of commonwealth citizens live in undeveloped and underdeveloped countries. That is debatable and in any case I did state "developed Commonwealth countries" and not underdeveloped countries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jim Hardie 527 #1111 Posted January 23, 2019 55 minutes ago, Mister M said: It is shocking. Last week's Question Time on the BBC from Derby, when, I think it was Isobel Oakshott spoke in favour of a no deal Brexit, should there be no consensus achieved. The audience erupted in cheers and applause! This from a city that has a number of large employers in the manufacturing sector. Perhaps they still haven't got the message that many have been articulating - that a no deal Brexit would be catastrophic. Am I missing something? If no consensus is achieved then we have no choice but to leave with no deal. If there is a second referendum then the question has to be Deal (the one that's been negotiated) or No Deal. Some jokers are saying that Remain should be on the ballot but that option has already lost. It should have needed a 60% vote to overturn the status quo but Cameron missed a trick there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Penistone999 10 #1112 Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Mister M said: It is shocking. Last week's Question Time on the BBC from Derby, when, I think it was Isobel Oakshott spoke in favour of a no deal Brexit, should there be no consensus achieved. The audience erupted in cheers and applause! This from a city that has a number of large employers in the manufacturing sector. Perhaps they still haven't got the message that many have been articulating - that a no deal Brexit would be catastrophic. Only in the eyes of Remoaners . Anything other than No Deal does NOT see us leave the EU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Hots on 10 #1113 Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said: What of it? When British soldiers are on UN exercises and peacekeeping missions they wear blue UN berets. I say again, so what? Who cares? Not the same thing at all and you know it. The creation of an EU army, something that Europhiles have always denied and called Euro-sceptics paranoid for bringing up, is a natural part of the creation of an EU super state, and as ever with the EU it is introduced quietly...when were the British people consulted on this?? The EU wants to be in a place where it can defend itself and the US can remove its bases (taking their influence over European affairs with them). On one level this is to be welcomed, Europe should be able to defend itself without the US, but this puts the UK in an awkward position; we highly value the North Atlantic alliance with ourselves and the US and don't want to undermine that by being in an EU army. Edited January 23, 2019 by Hots on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell 863 #1114 Posted January 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hots on said: Not the same thing at all and you know it. The creation of an EU army, something that Europhiles have always denied and called Euro-sceptics paranoid for bringing up, is a natural part of the creation of an EU super state, and as ever with the EU it is introduced quietly...when were the British people consulted on this?? The EU wants to be in a place where it can defend itself and the US can remove its bases (taking their influence over European affairs with them). On one level this is to be welcomed, Europe should be able to defend itself without the US, but this puts the UK in an awkward position; we highly value the North Atlantic alliance with ourselves and the US and don't want to undermine that by being in an EU army. complete and utter right wing paranoid conspiracist nonsense Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WiseOwl182 10 #1115 Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Mister M said: It is shocking. Last week's Question Time on the BBC from Derby, when, I think it was Isobel Oakshott spoke in favour of a no deal Brexit, should there be no consensus achieved. The audience erupted in cheers and applause! This from a city that has a number of large employers in the manufacturing sector. Perhaps they still haven't got the message that many have been articulating - that a no deal Brexit would be catastrophic. Proof that when demanding a second referendum, people should be careful what they wish for, or they might get the 'wrong' answer again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tzijlstra 11 #1116 Posted January 23, 2019 Here is an interesting question for Brexiteers opposed to a second referendum - if the result had swung the other way (with the same margin) would you have demanded another referendum now or in the near future? Answer honestly and critically please! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...