retep   68 #781 Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, melthebell said: Spending on training has been on the slide in the UK for decades under numerous governments, Infact ironically a lot of our funding for training over the past 2/3 come from the EU  cue it appearing on the side of a bus shortly Nice of the EU to give us some of our own money back init. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   864 #782 Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, retep said: Nice of the EU to give us some of our own money back init. pity training may not get anything after march Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol   604 #783 Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, retep said: Nice of the EU to give us some of our own money back init. As if the Tories would have spent it on training rather than tax cuts for the top 5 - 10%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #784 Posted January 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, retep said: Nice of the EU to give us some of our own money back init. You know that we're going to be massively worse off after leaving. We'll have LESS money. Not even brexidiots are denying that anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WiseOwl182   10 #785 Posted January 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Longcol said: Who is calling anybody thick - a Middlesbrough ex-steelworker is highly unlikely to have the qualifications or skills required to re-train as a nurse - or the inclination - Sheffield hospitals are hardly full of ex-steelworkers who retrained to be nurses. I meant more generally, remainers calling leavers thick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Top Cats Hat   10 #786 Posted January 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, retep said: Nice of the EU to give us some of our own money back init. Here's a question for you peter.  Would you prefer to see the UK government spend our money on a tax cut for Phillip Green or a kidney operation for a Hungarian doctor who has been working here for ten years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol   604 #787 Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, WiseOwl182 said: I meant more generally, remainers calling leavers thick. So have we established that the NHS recruiting doctors and nurses from abroad is unlikely to make much difference to job prospects for ex-steelworkers?  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WiseOwl182 Â Â 10 #788 Posted January 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Longcol said: As if the Tories would have spent it on training rather than tax cuts for the top 5 - 10%. Ignoring the fact that the top 10% pay the lion's share of tax revenue, and that increasing tax rates for them actually decreases tax taken, if you don't like it you can vote them out. You can't vote the EU out. Well, you can try in a referendum but likely to get asked again until you give the right answer. Just now, Longcol said: So have we established that the NHS recruiting doctors and nurses from abroad is unlikely to make much difference to job prospects for ex-steelworkers? Â Why are you obsessed with ex steelworkers? We should be offering more uni courses for doctors and nurses in this country and incentivising if necessary. Instead, we import them on the cheap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol   604 #789 Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said: Why are you obsessed with ex steelworkers? We should be offering more uni courses for doctors and nurses in this country and incentivising if necessary. Instead, we import them on the cheap. Well - let's see - who do you think the unemployed in pockets of high unemployment like Middlesbrough might include a fair number of?  https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/apr/26/different-world-middlesbrough-tees-valley-mayor-election Edited January 20, 2019 by Longcol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WiseOwl182 Â Â 10 #790 Posted January 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, Longcol said: Well - let's see - who do you think the unemployed in pockets of high unemployment like Middlesbrough might include a fair number of? Â https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/apr/26/different-world-middlesbrough-tees-valley-mayor-election Why Middlesbrough? I'm saying spread the jobs throughout the UK, not just in London. I'm also saying train up our own young people, rather than import cheap labour. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
I1L2T3 Â Â 10 #791 Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, WiseOwl182 said: Employment stats can hide things but even accepting that, there's still hundreds of thousands out of work. We're often told how we need immigration for the NHS. Why can't we do more to train up UK citizens as the doctors and nurses we need? Importing labour should be a last resort, not a default. Â Given that we are enjoying such high employment levels under a Conservative government, I trust you won't be risking it by voting for Labour? You realise that nurses now have to pay for their own training? Â And that the EU is a major source of nurses to make up the increasing shortfalls? Â May has created the perfect storm for the NHS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
mafya   250 #792 Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said: I don't need to imply anything.  There is a lot of recent evidence to show that immigration has a negligible effect on education or healthcare.  Again, all I'm hearing is xenophobic dog whistle slogans! It’s not dog whistle slogans, Britain’s infrastructure was not adequate to cope with the extra people via EU freedom of movement. It’s not the immigrants fault but it has caused issues. I have always said it’s the successive govts fault for not forseeing the problems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...