prolific 0 #1 Posted December 19, 2018 over recent years we have seen the rise of the so-called "far right" and "far left" in Sheffield and the surrounding area, shouting mainly across the road from each other and never really getting to the bottom of anything. when and where will common sense prevail? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Top Cats Hat 10 #2 Posted December 19, 2018 You seem to be making an equivalence between the far right and the far left. Today, six members of a far right group were jailed for membership of a terrorist organisation. I'm quite happy to partake in this discussion if you post details of six far left supporters jailed for similar offences. "National Action trial: Members of neo-Nazi group jailed" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-46592080 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Ridgewalk 90 #3 Posted December 19, 2018 The far right have a long récent record of violent attacks eg. man who ran his van into a crowd of people outside a mosque, murder of Joe Cox, man who planned to attack a gay night at a local pub in Barrow, etc. Referrals to Prevent strategy for right wing radicalisation have increased massively. Lazy or malicious people often make the " left-right" false equivalency Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Ridgewalk 90 #4 Posted December 19, 2018 According to MI5 four extreme right wing terrorist plots have been foiled since March 2017. They are currently investigating 100 other cases. Extreme right wing terrorism now regarded as equivalent to Islamist and Northern Irish based terrorism. The far right in UK seems full of dangerous deranged individuals. I presume tweedle dee and tweedle dum of Britain First are still locked up, all been quiet there recently Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Branyy 10 #5 Posted December 19, 2018 Problem is that there's no clear definition of far-right/far-left. And it's very fashionable just to label opponents with those terms and disregard any arguments. Regarding far-right - any anti-islamic group is always labeled as far-right so if you want to compare extremists on both sides, you should also look at and count islamic terrorists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tlangdon12 13 #6 Posted December 19, 2018 7 hours ago, prolific said: over recent years we have seen the rise of the so-called "far right" and "far left" in Sheffield and the surrounding area, shouting mainly across the road from each other and never really getting to the bottom of anything. when and where will common sense prevail? Common sense will prevail when the far right and far left are challenged by ordinary people so that their leaders see that there is no popular support for their extreme views. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Ridgewalk 90 #7 Posted December 19, 2018 7 hours ago, tlangdon12 said: Common sense will prevail when the far right and far left are challenged by ordinary people so that their leaders see that there is no popular support for their extreme views. What does that even mean ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell 862 #8 Posted December 19, 2018 8 hours ago, Branyy said: Problem is that there's no clear definition of far-right/far-left. Yes there is, they tend to be on the extreme ends of the spectrum and show obsessive tendencies to their thoughts and motives. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
taxman 12 #9 Posted December 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, melthebell said: Yes there is, they tend to be on the extreme ends of the spectrum and show obsessive tendencies to their thoughts and motives. It's a matter of perception. The Telegraph and Daily Mail will paint Jeremy Corbyn as a hard left threat to society for wanting the re-nationalision of railways and utility companies. Others would see such a policy as commonsense. Jacob Rees Smog will be castigated as being far right for some of his views yet patently isn't in comparison with the neo nazis jailed yesterday. The terms are bandied around so much that they lack meaning unless properly defined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Mister M 1,575 #10 Posted December 20, 2018 19 hours ago, taxman said: It's a matter of perception. The Telegraph and Daily Mail will paint Jeremy Corbyn as a hard left threat to society for wanting the re-nationalision of railways and utility companies. Others would see such a policy as commonsense. Jacob Rees Smog will be castigated as being far right for some of his views yet patently isn't in comparison with the neo nazis jailed yesterday. The terms are bandied around so much that they lack meaning unless properly defined. I think Jeremy Corbyn's policies are similar to those that social democrats would recognise, or those of post war governments. That the Mail and Telegraph label them 'far left', show how far to the reactionary right those publications are Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
truman 10 #11 Posted December 20, 2018 On 12/19/2018 at 1:46 AM, Top Cats Hat said: You seem to be making an equivalence between the far right and the far left. Today, six members of a far right group were jailed for membership of a terrorist organisation. I'm quite happy to partake in this discussion if you post details of six far left supporters jailed for similar offences. "National Action trial: Members of neo-Nazi group jailed" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-46592080 Maybe not recent but UIncle Joe Stalin had a bit of a nasty streak... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...