WiseOwl182   10 #169 Posted January 13, 2019 10 hours ago, makapaka said: No.  not unless someone tips up and starts saying they’re  offended by it. Then our opinions differ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Hots on   10 #170 Posted January 13, 2019 12 hours ago, taxman said: Judging by the swastika and C88 I've just observed drawn on the mirror In The Wellington on Henry St it appears rasicm is alive and well in Sheffield Could have been put there by anyone. If the far right didn't exist the far left would have to invent them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest busdriver1   #171 Posted January 13, 2019 On 12/01/2019 at 12:22, WiseOwl182 said: "Separate countries within Britain"? The separate countries are England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, all of which are British. I've explained before. Why would someone who is British, by an indisputable definition, want to refuse to accept being British whilst living in Britain alongside British people? It's dissocciative and divisive. Whilst being pedantic you are over looking the FACT that they are countries and as such why should a person NOT associate themselves with it? After all it ties them down to a particular part of the collective that is Britain. Are you a Yorkshireman? If so is that not just a furtherance of that? Or would you like us to be like the USA where there are very few people who are american but loads who are African/American, Polish/ American and so on? Just accept that there are a grat many who for no other reason than they feel more English than British describe themselves as such. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WiseOwl182   10 #172 Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, busdriver1 said: Whilst being pedantic you are over looking the FACT that they are countries and as such why should a person NOT associate themselves with it? After all it ties them down to a particular part of the collective that is Britain. Are you a Yorkshireman? If so is that not just a furtherance of that? Or would you like us to be like the USA where there are very few people who are american but loads who are African/American, Polish/ American and so on? Just accept that there are a grat many who for no other reason than they feel more English than British describe themselves as such. All of that is fine me, I'm talking about people from outside the UK a couple of generations or more ago, who deny being British (regardless not which part of Britain they're from) despite being born here and having parents from here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
OneSon   10 #173 Posted January 13, 2019 On 12/01/2019 at 15:46, WiseOwl182 said:  If I move to France, I'm still British. If I had children there who then went on to have their own children too, they would be French. It would be strange if they denied being French. If they also put British flags up in their bedroom windows, mixed almost exclusively with other British descendants and generally refused to adopt any aspects of French life they would likely be criticised by the exact same lefties who you are arguing with here.   Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WiseOwl182   10 #174 Posted January 13, 2019 38 minutes ago, OneSon said: If they also put British flags up in their bedroom windows, mixed almost exclusively with other British descendants and generally refused to adopt any aspects of French life they would likely be criticised by the exact same lefties who you are arguing with here.   Indeed, and no doubt labelled "racist". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest makapaka   #175 Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, WiseOwl182 said: Indeed, and no doubt labelled "racist". Youre now making up imaginary arguments to support your personal opinion that someone not identifying as British is offensive.  we still don’t know why you are offended.  If that person is not harming you - why do you care?  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
kidley   48 #176 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, makapaka said: Youre now making up imaginary arguments to support your personal opinion that someone not identifying as British is offensive.  we still don’t know why you are offended.  If that person is not harming you - why do you care?  My Bold The yorkshire ripper didnt harm me neither did fred west. Edited January 13, 2019 by kidley Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WiseOwl182   10 #177 Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, makapaka said: Youre now making up imaginary arguments to support your personal opinion that someone not identifying as British is offensive.  we still don’t know why you are offended.  If that person is not harming you - why do you care?  If you invited someone round for dinner and they refused to eat your food, but instead sat their eating their own that they brought with them, would you be offended? If so, why? They're not harming you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest makapaka   #178 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, kidley said: My Bold The yorkshire ripper didnt harm me neither did fred west. I don’t think serial killers are comparative in this discussion.  25 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said: If you invited someone round for dinner and they refused to eat your food, but instead sat their eating their own that they brought with them, would you be offended? If so, why? They're not harming you. I don’t think this is quite the same either.....  Maybe if you wanted to use this analogy you could say that your next door neighbours don’t like the same food as you and you were sat in your own house eating your own dinner and feeling offended by that fact. Edited January 13, 2019 by makapaka Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WiseOwl182   10 #179 Posted January 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, makapaka said:  Maybe if you wanted to use this analogy you could say that your next door neighbours don’t like the same food as you and you were sat in your own house eating your own dinner and feeling offended by that fact. It wasn't an analogy. It was to illustrate how being offended and being harmed aren't the same thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest makapaka   #180 Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, WiseOwl182 said: It wasn't an analogy. It was to illustrate how being offended and being harmed aren't the same thing. Ok - I knew that anyway.  so why are you offended? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...